From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unuseful keybindings Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:56:11 +0400 Message-ID: <50D6E34B.4030901@yandex.ru> References: <87sj73qzvl.fsf@gmail.com> <87623zquvw.fsf@gmail.com> <87ip7zdud3.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehiiu5x7.fsf@gnu.org> <876A7D1112084247AE53F7EE42B4587C@us.oracle.com> <80ehih3hlj.fsf@somewhere.org> <87pq21iwrw.fsf@yandex.ru> <87a9t5glkx.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <20121223183743.f728327d4a6d3a37a47723dd@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356262213 6399 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2012 11:30:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Xue Fuqiao Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 23 12:30:28 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmjl7-0001MM-BZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:30:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmjkt-0005sS-45 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:30:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38403) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmjkg-0005qI-J2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmjkV-0004ry-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:29:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]:64311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TmjE7-0007bf-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so7430254lah.17 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:56:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DAYbfyu5/JyqbDmIAckx+NxRyAg0H0MMpF3h0z1qELw=; b=BF0evrOo7xNAtuRsN017f97LbwyA8rjLUYO1EAeQDqlQevJO3I5lJqETNllogCy8QL t/tedD3tzrWb0OAOClXf+gri/YNLJaaJ1fAAkEaHpaldee6VEEHYI8Hd1ZJ4+z7Vy9Id 6Y5/tozF663QWuqI8b/ESjg1xcAcGqxh+FuF8xHAY9yC6nO5p2aKbq4Vkko/BLpDOiNt s9PHYWVRTCv3QR6Yh1mHM+gfd5chkwfG+tEAeNqwgfGYhGqsEtgJIJsdDhxUWxMHjwN1 y4cxe0Nzj/YFaxXxX+BzTBLna2QK0AXrZwx5xubIUqIVELHRRhZENaSZYEDw6AzhQRJ8 itCg== X-Received: by 10.112.42.197 with SMTP id q5mr7498381lbl.9.1356260174077; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:56:14 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gr12sm6583854lab.3.2012.12.23.02.56.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:56:12 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: <20121223183743.f728327d4a6d3a37a47723dd@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.215.44 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155804 Archived-At: On 23.12.2012 14:37, Xue Fuqiao wrote: > On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:32:45 +0200 > Juri Linkov wrote: > >> For Firefox the most general and useful extension to rebind keys is >> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyconfig_extension >> >> There are also Emacs specific Firefox extensions: >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/firemacs/ >> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1416255 > > There are also some others(Emacs specific or can make use of Emacs power), like: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 > http://conkeror.org/ > https://github.com/jaalto/project--windows-emacs-client-for-firefox > http://mozex.mozdev.org/ > http://robrohan.com/projects/9ne Thanks, guys, but I'm aware of most of those already. I haven't tried sending text areas to Emacs yet, but it doesn't really help with the difference between keybindings when I need to do a quick action, like cut a piece of text from the built-in search form, which is exactly when I tend to press the wrong keys the most. Changing Firefox keys to Emacs's is not optimal, too, because I close tabs much more often than cut text, so giving up "C-w" for that in favor of C-x k (which requires two hands to press) is counter-productive. It would also make using any other software more jarring. Maybe I need to man up and switch to something like ErgoEmacs.