From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:30:10 +0400 Message-ID: <50CE83B2.1010402@yandex.ru> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355711463 14752 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2012 02:31:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, Richard Stallman To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 17 03:31:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQU7-0004nR-Dh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jk8sm4255613lab.7.2012.12.16.18.30.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:30:09 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 In-Reply-To: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68629 Archived-At: On 17.12.2012 6:19, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On 12/16/2012 6:03 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Hello Mr. Stallman, >> >> Richard Stallman writes: >>> You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows >>> "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in >>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. >>> >>> You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must >>> have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. >> >> I think the burden of proof is on you here. You said that Windows >> contains spyware, DRM and backdoors, and only presented an article that >> discusses the DRM. > > To be fair, the "backdoor" to which RMS refers involves an incident in which > Windows Update updated itself even when users had specifically turned off > updates from the OS configuration facility for such things. I don't mean to > speak for RMS, but I believe he's suggesting that Windows still has these latent > capabilities. Nobody can prove otherwise. > > The "spyware" claim refers to Windows Update sending a list of installed > programs along with its "do you have an update for me?" chat with the update server. I see, thanks for the explanation. > That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default > configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can claim > Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chrome. > Many other programs do the same thing. > > I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are not > morally reprehensible. > > [1] http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=96817 > [2] > http://www.esecurityplanet.com/browser-security/google-silently-updates-chrome-as-mozilla-preps-.html > --Dmitry