From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:49:54 +0100 Message-ID: <509EA1D2.6080204@gmx.at> References: <201211080338.qA83c7NY006393@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <20635.16010.769769.433949@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <509CD1EF.8070701@gmx.at> <509E3504.1050500@gmx.at> <83r4o1y9fo.fsf@gnu.org> <509E6017.3030108@gmx.at> <83k3tty10i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352573417 19067 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2012 18:50:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eli@barzilay.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 10 19:50:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TXG8Q-0004dK-5y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:50:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33531 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXG8G-0008L0-T5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXG8B-0008GB-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:50:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXG88-0002D9-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:56631) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXG88-0002Am-A9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:50:08 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2012 18:50:05 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-50-62.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.50.62]) [62.47.50.62] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2012 19:50:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zlqhsIOXzrkFDu2PZTCXbvtRCG7E9FuGsL8Jz2p NVmnitHMnXQ6/o In-Reply-To: <83k3tty10i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 213.165.64.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154805 Archived-At: > I didn't realize there's a requirement to display a cursor when point > is scrolled out of view. Why is that needed? It isn't when you make the "don't show the cursor feature" available from Elisp. >> The `point' (and region) handling part is a different issue. I'd >> strongly suggest to separate this from the display part. > > Sorry, I'm confused: what does region handling have to do with this? Currently, when I highlight the region and scroll the original position of `point' off-screen (using `scroll-bar-toolkit-scroll'), the region changes. When I scroll the original position back on-screen, the region is hardly where it was before. > And how can you separate the point handling from this issue, when > window_scroll_pixel_based explicitly moves point? The display engine would not show the cursor in that case. martin