From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce Korb Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:07 -0800 Message-ID: <509C074F.7010608@gmail.com> References: <50994EF8.5000109@yandex.ru> <877gpxyttr.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352402779 7215 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2012 19:26:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:26:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 08 20:26:29 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWXkD-0002c9-IQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:26:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWXk4-0002pj-DI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:26:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57291) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWXjy-0002YX-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:26:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWXjx-0000Jg-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:26:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:43857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWXjx-0000JW-5T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:26:13 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u3so1687240wey.0 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mF3Co2ZwzhTZ/ATUvKw/eYD6I5qJtvmuXfshNtjTGMk=; b=h9QDkUCEhfetXqUc71Xxk/Q4RDDwl2s+YFtqD1Gr7Pkx/YZ2UNHjSJBI8RUFgDTHDU VCTAyr1JVNOJmrN0c65J5HhH3qZbHAfuybaFi+tXpWhPX9vlRb7gRDWjZ41yMAJC9yDg 15Q0Q5RTpCa8wKvQfurPC00wsL/FWLfiqsidwmUar9r96n3iwbfy8SVkFeLtUiGGiV7V P2Cu8EcmzKJM4WkPmVCVRdmuFNIS8fScQsg5H9pRy2DlgfkvYv8Yrdlx1qamvIIVvRGx G9DYs3meLmjIPgllwdDywH7o9lqF9CuvT88fqcEZRxLu7JnG4XSMJ3DHSyPzpAzxzNLW LYug== Original-Received: by 10.180.87.74 with SMTP id v10mr15157020wiz.21.1352402772426; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.10.2] (adsl-99-33-25-17.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net. [99.33.25.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm2613028wik.11.2012.11.08.11.26.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:26:11 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121025 Thunderbird/16.0.2 In-Reply-To: <877gpxyttr.fsf@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 74.125.82.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154749 Archived-At: On 11/07/12 13:41, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Mathias Dahl writes: > >> Finally a good proposal, thanks! >> >> And about Drew's argument against it, based on the current "page" term >> in Emacs, I'd say that very few would have a problem with it. The change >> proposed by Richard would do much more good than harm. > > Put me down for one "yes, please!" Another from the peanut gallery: "Amen!!!" :) > And yeah, switching frames and windows would also serve to improve the > initial period of disorientation for new users, but I don't really see > that happening anytime soon. Anything that helps clarity is good, but it doesn't trump continuity of behavior. Changing continuity requires compelling reasons. "Uniformity of nomenclature" falls short of compelling. :) Cheers - Bruce