* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
@ 2012-10-22 14:52 Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-22 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 12702
Hi list,
I came accross an annoying bug whith orgmode and remember mode.
To reproduce :
Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
Like this :
* Entry One
* Entry Two
** Refile Me
The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
from original location.
Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
* Entry One
** Refile Me
* Entry Two
** Refile Me
The error message is triggered by remember mode from orgmode, so I
don't know where the bug is (orgmode, remember or emacs ?).
In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.4)
of 2012-08-28 on shaun
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation
cheers,
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2012-10-22 14:52 bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format" Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-22 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> To reproduce :
>
> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>
> Like this :
>
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
> from original location.
> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
Thanks for the report, but it works fine for me with Emacs 24.2.
Can you give a complete recipe starting from emacs -Q?
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2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-23 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 22/10/2012 18:15, Glenn Morris a écrit :
> Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
>
>> To reproduce :
>>
>> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
>> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>>
>> Like this :
>>
>> * Entry One
>> * Entry Two
>> ** Refile Me
>>
>> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
>> from original location.
>> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
>
> Thanks for the report, but it works fine for me with Emacs 24.2.
> Can you give a complete recipe starting from emacs -Q?
>
Hi Glenn,
(I made a reply all, is that alright ?)
with emacs -Q, I can not reproduce the bug. But refile does not work at
all, (Complains : wrong type argument arrayp,nil).
I do :
1. emacs -Q
2. C-x C-f refiletest.org
3. Fill the buffer with :
* Entry One
* Entry Two
** Refile Me
4. Hit C-c C-w
5. The entry is duplicated and I can read the error message "Not
bookmark format)
If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
test.org", the behaviour is different :
On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
Just to be sure, I moved the ~/.emacs away, same result.
I hope this helps. I have the archlinux build of emacs, so maybe the
error is on the packaging side ?
cheers,
jonathan
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-23 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 22/10/2012 18:15, Glenn Morris a écrit :
> Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
>
>> To reproduce :
>>
>> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
>> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>>
>> Like this :
>>
>> * Entry One
>> * Entry Two
>> ** Refile Me
>>
>> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
>> from original location.
>> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
>
> Thanks for the report, but it works fine for me with Emacs 24.2.
> Can you give a complete recipe starting from emacs -Q?
>
Hi Glenn,
(I made a reply all, is that alright ?)
with emacs -Q, I can not reproduce the bug. But refile does not work at
all, (Complains : wrong type argument arrayp,nil).
I do :
1. emacs -Q
2. C-x C-f refiletest.org
3. Fill the buffer with :
* Entry One
* Entry Two
** Refile Me
4. Hit C-c C-w
5. The entry is duplicated and I can read the error message "Not
bookmark format)
If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
test.org", the behaviour is different :
On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
Just to be sure, I moved the ~/.emacs away, same result.
I hope this helps. I have the archlinux build of emacs, so maybe the
error is on the packaging side ?
cheers,
jonathan
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> (I made a reply all, is that alright ?)
Yes, that's the right thing to do.
> with emacs -Q, I can not reproduce the bug. But refile does not work
> at all, (Complains : wrong type argument arrayp,nil).
> I do :
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. C-x C-f refiletest.org
> 3. Fill the buffer with :
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> 4. Hit C-c C-w
> 5. The entry is duplicated and I can read the error message "Not
> bookmark format)
Sorry, this works fine for me with Emacs 24.2. Maybe someone who
actually uses Org will step in and help...
> If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
> test.org", the behaviour is different :
> On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
> wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
This doesn't make sense to me; because just doing `C-x b test.org' creates
a buffer in fundamental mode, where C-c C-w is not bound to any key.
It seems like your Emacs must be customized in some way, even with
`emacs -Q'...
> I hope this helps. I have the archlinux build of emacs, so maybe the
> error is on the packaging side ?
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-23 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 23/10/2012 09:50, Glenn Morris a écrit :
> Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
>
>> If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
>> test.org", the behaviour is different :
>> On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
>> wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
>
> This doesn't make sense to me; because just doing `C-x b test.org' creates
> a buffer in fundamental mode, where C-c C-w is not bound to any key.
Sorry, I missed a step : I manualy load the org-mode mode (Alt-x
org-mode) before doing anything in the buffer.
This might be an orgmode bug, from what I read on the internet.
>
> It seems like your Emacs must be customized in some way, even with
> `emacs -Q'...
I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce this.
jonathan
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
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1 sibling, 4 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-23 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 23/10/2012 09:50, Glenn Morris a écrit :
> Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
>
>> If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
>> test.org", the behaviour is different :
>> On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
>> wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
>
> This doesn't make sense to me; because just doing `C-x b test.org' creates
> a buffer in fundamental mode, where C-c C-w is not bound to any key.
Sorry, I missed a step : I manualy load the org-mode mode (Alt-x
org-mode) before doing anything in the buffer.
This might be an orgmode bug, from what I read on the internet.
>
> It seems like your Emacs must be customized in some way, even with
> `emacs -Q'...
I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce this.
jonathan
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2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2012-10-23 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Hi Jonathan,
Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
> I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce
> this.
You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
There are some ArchLinux Org-mode users there.
--
Bastien
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2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
` (3 more replies)
2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 4 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-23 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: Glenn Morris, 12702
Hi Jonathan,
Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
> I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce
> this.
You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
There are some ArchLinux Org-mode users there.
--
Bastien
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2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
Bastien wrote:
> You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
> list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
It's already there, since I reassigned this bug.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2012-10/msg00563.html
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2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 20:52 ` bug#12702: [O] " Philipp Kroos
2012-10-23 20:52 ` bug#12702: " Philipp Kroos
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
Bastien wrote:
> You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
> list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
It's already there, since I reassigned this bug.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2012-10/msg00563.html
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* bug#12702: [O] bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 15:59 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 20:52 ` Philipp Kroos
2012-10-23 20:52 ` bug#12702: " Philipp Kroos
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Kroos @ 2012-10-23 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: Jonathan Schaeffer, 12702
Hi,
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
>
>> I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce
>> this.
>
> You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
> list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> There are some ArchLinux Org-mode users there.
I'm on Arch so I checked it with my emacs from the repositories.
I can reproduce it, but I think it's unrelated to Archlinux.
If I enter the org-buffer with C-x b, M-x org-mode,
M-x toggle-debug-on-error shows that the error (wrong-type-argument
arryp nil) goes back to org-refile-check-position in org.el.
The let-form sets `file` to (nth 1 refile-pointer), which is `nil` *if*
the buffer was loaded like mentioned. This value is given to
find-buffer-visiting, from where file-truename eventually throws the error.
If the file is visited with C-x f, `file` is set to the correct value
(current directory + filename) and the refiling is correct.
Best, Philipp
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* bug#12702: bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2012-10-23 20:52 ` bug#12702: [O] " Philipp Kroos
@ 2012-10-23 20:52 ` Philipp Kroos
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From: Philipp Kroos @ 2012-10-23 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: Glenn Morris, Jonathan Schaeffer, 12702
Hi,
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
>
>> I'll submit a post on Archlinux forum to see if someone can reproduce
>> this.
>
> You can also try reporting your problem to the emacs-orgmode mailing
> list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> There are some ArchLinux Org-mode users there.
I'm on Arch so I checked it with my emacs from the repositories.
I can reproduce it, but I think it's unrelated to Archlinux.
If I enter the org-buffer with C-x b, M-x org-mode,
M-x toggle-debug-on-error shows that the error (wrong-type-argument
arryp nil) goes back to org-refile-check-position in org.el.
The let-form sets `file` to (nth 1 refile-pointer), which is `nil` *if*
the buffer was loaded like mentioned. This value is given to
find-buffer-visiting, from where file-truename eventually throws the error.
If the file is visited with C-x f, `file` is set to the correct value
(current directory + filename) and the refiling is correct.
Best, Philipp
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
2012-10-23 15:57 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> Sorry, I missed a step : I manualy load the org-mode mode (Alt-x
> org-mode) before doing anything in the buffer.
> This might be an orgmode bug, from what I read on the internet.
I can reproduce that in Emacs 24.2 and current trunk.
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument arrayp nil)
file-truename(nil)
find-buffer-visiting(nil)
org-refile-check-position((#("Entry One" 0 9 (face org-level-1 fontified t))
org-refile-get-location("Refile subtree \"Refile Me\" to" nil nil nil)
org-refile(nil)
call-interactively(org-refile nil nil)
org-refile-check-position does not handle being called from a buffer not
visiting a file.
(Still no idea about the original issue.)
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2012-10-23 8:08 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 16:06 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> Sorry, I missed a step : I manualy load the org-mode mode (Alt-x
> org-mode) before doing anything in the buffer.
> This might be an orgmode bug, from what I read on the internet.
I can reproduce that in Emacs 24.2 and current trunk.
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument arrayp nil)
file-truename(nil)
find-buffer-visiting(nil)
org-refile-check-position((#("Entry One" 0 9 (face org-level-1 fontified t))
org-refile-get-location("Refile subtree \"Refile Me\" to" nil nil nil)
org-refile(nil)
call-interactively(org-refile nil nil)
org-refile-check-position does not handle being called from a buffer not
visiting a file.
(Still no idea about the original issue.)
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 7:06 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 7:50 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> (I made a reply all, is that alright ?)
Yes, that's the right thing to do.
> with emacs -Q, I can not reproduce the bug. But refile does not work
> at all, (Complains : wrong type argument arrayp,nil).
> I do :
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. C-x C-f refiletest.org
> 3. Fill the buffer with :
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> 4. Hit C-c C-w
> 5. The entry is duplicated and I can read the error message "Not
> bookmark format)
Sorry, this works fine for me with Emacs 24.2. Maybe someone who
actually uses Org will step in and help...
> If, instead of visiting a file, I open just a new buffer with "C-x b
> test.org", the behaviour is different :
> On refile (C-c C-w) nothing happens but the error message shows:
> wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
This doesn't make sense to me; because just doing `C-x b test.org' creates
a buffer in fundamental mode, where C-c C-w is not bound to any key.
It seems like your Emacs must be customized in some way, even with
`emacs -Q'...
> I hope this helps. I have the archlinux build of emacs, so maybe the
> error is on the packaging side ?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-22 14:52 bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format" Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-22 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> To reproduce :
>
> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>
> Like this :
>
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
> from original location.
> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
Thanks for the report, but it works fine for me with Emacs 24.2.
Can you give a complete recipe starting from emacs -Q?
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-22 14:52 bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format" Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-22 16:15 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> To reproduce :
>
> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>
> Like this :
>
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
> from original location.
> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
>
> * Entry One
> ** Refile Me
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-24 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 23/10/2012 18:24, Glenn Morris a écrit :
>
> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
Wonderfull.
I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
I removed it and the problem is gone.
Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
>
The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
comes from :)
cheers,
Jonathan
PS. I'm kind of new to emacs, and use orgmode intensively now, and it's
my first emacs bug report. Your reactivity is realy great, I appreciate it.
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-10-24 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
>> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
>> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
> Wonderfull.
> I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
> I removed it and the problem is gone.
Hmm... it would be good if Emacs were a bit more helpful here by
maybe including the bookmark file name in the error.
> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
> comes from :)
Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
Stefan
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-24 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
Hi Stefan,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
>> comes from :)
>
> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
> corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
> I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
By default, org-refile and org-capture store bookmarks to the last
refiled/captured Org headline. (There is org-capture-bookmark in
case users want to deactivate this for captured headlines.)
We could skip this step in Org in case the bookmark format is
corrupted, or have a more informative message that makes clear to
the user that Org tries to store a bookmark.
What do you think?
--
Bastien
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-10-24 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
>>> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
>>> comes from :)
>> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
>> corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
>> I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
> By default, org-refile and org-capture store bookmarks to the last
> refiled/captured Org headline. (There is org-capture-bookmark in
> case users want to deactivate this for captured headlines.)
> We could skip this step in Org in case the bookmark format is
> corrupted, or have a more informative message that makes clear to
> the user that Org tries to store a bookmark.
I don't know the details of what happens currently when the bookmark file is
corrupted but at least such an occurrence shouldn't prevent org-refile
from working (tho obviously in a degraded way).
IOW, if needed we could wrap the calls to bookmark-set in
with-demoted-errors, but maybe those errors are signaled late enough
already that while the command signals an error, it did do what it was
expected to do.
Stefan
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2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-10-24 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
>>> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
>>> comes from :)
>> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
>> corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
>> I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
> By default, org-refile and org-capture store bookmarks to the last
> refiled/captured Org headline. (There is org-capture-bookmark in
> case users want to deactivate this for captured headlines.)
> We could skip this step in Org in case the bookmark format is
> corrupted, or have a more informative message that makes clear to
> the user that Org tries to store a bookmark.
I don't know the details of what happens currently when the bookmark file is
corrupted but at least such an occurrence shouldn't prevent org-refile
from working (tho obviously in a degraded way).
IOW, if needed we could wrap the calls to bookmark-set in
with-demoted-errors, but maybe those errors are signaled late enough
already that while the command signals an error, it did do what it was
expected to do.
Stefan
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-26 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12702-done, Jonathan Schaeffer
Hi Stefan,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> IOW, if needed we could wrap the calls to bookmark-set in
> with-demoted-errors, but maybe those errors are signaled late enough
> already that while the command signals an error, it did do what it was
> expected to do.
I've now wrapped calls to `bookmark-set' within `with-demoted-errors'
in Org, the capture and the refile processes will not be stopped by
corrupted bookmark files.
I'm now closing this bug.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-26 12:56 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-26 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12702-done, Jonathan Schaeffer
Hi Stefan,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> IOW, if needed we could wrap the calls to bookmark-set in
> with-demoted-errors, but maybe those errors are signaled late enough
> already that while the command signals an error, it did do what it was
> expected to do.
I've now wrapped calls to `bookmark-set' within `with-demoted-errors'
in Org, the capture and the refile processes will not be stopped by
corrupted bookmark files.
I'm now closing this bug.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-24 15:12 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-24 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 12702, Jonathan Schaeffer
Hi Stefan,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
>> comes from :)
>
> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
> corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
> I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
By default, org-refile and org-capture store bookmarks to the last
refiled/captured Org headline. (There is org-capture-bookmark in
case users want to deactivate this for captured headlines.)
We could skip this step in Org in case the bookmark format is
corrupted, or have a more informative message that makes clear to
the user that Org tries to store a bookmark.
What do you think?
--
Bastien
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-10-24 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: Glenn Morris, 12702
>> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
>> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
> Wonderfull.
> I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
> I removed it and the problem is gone.
Hmm... it would be good if Emacs were a bit more helpful here by
maybe including the bookmark file name in the error.
> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
> comes from :)
Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file is
corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with something else),
I don't see why that should prevent Org's Refile from working.
Stefan
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2012-10-24 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Stefan Monnier', 'Jonathan Schaeffer'; +Cc: 12702
> >> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
> >> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try
> >> (re)moving it.
> > Wonderfull. I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
> > I removed it and the problem is gone.
>
> Hmm... it would be good if Emacs were a bit more helpful here by
> maybe including the bookmark file name in the error.
>
> > The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where
> > the problem comes from :)
>
> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file
> is corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with
> something else), I don't see why that should prevent Org's
> Refile from working.
Sorry, I have not been following this thread - excuse me if I misunderstand.
But AFAIK an empty bookmark file should not present any problems for Emacs (for
bookmark handling, at least, and I would hope for Org mode and anything else
too).
Is that really what the problem was - an empty bookmark file was interpreted (by
something) as a corrupt bookmark file? If so, that in itself sounds like a bug,
to me.
I use Bookmark+, but I would guess that vanilla bookmark.el too handles the
existence of an empty bookmark file with no problem. If not, that would be the
first thing to fix, I would think.
(Again, ignore if I've misunderstood.)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
@ 2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2012-10-24 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Stefan Monnier', 'Jonathan Schaeffer'; +Cc: 12702
> >> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
> >> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try
> >> (re)moving it.
> > Wonderfull. I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
> > I removed it and the problem is gone.
>
> Hmm... it would be good if Emacs were a bit more helpful here by
> maybe including the bookmark file name in the error.
>
> > The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where
> > the problem comes from :)
>
> Also, while it's good to signal to the user that his bookmark file
> is corrupted (and to make sure we don't overwrite it with
> something else), I don't see why that should prevent Org's
> Refile from working.
Sorry, I have not been following this thread - excuse me if I misunderstand.
But AFAIK an empty bookmark file should not present any problems for Emacs (for
bookmark handling, at least, and I would hope for Org mode and anything else
too).
Is that really what the problem was - an empty bookmark file was interpreted (by
something) as a corrupt bookmark file? If so, that in itself sounds like a bug,
to me.
I use Bookmark+, but I would guess that vanilla bookmark.el too handles the
existence of an empty bookmark file with no problem. If not, that would be the
first thing to fix, I would think.
(Again, ignore if I've misunderstood.)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
@ 2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-25 7:25 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-25 7:25 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-25 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 12702, 'Stefan Monnier'
Le 24/10/2012 17:09, Drew Adams a écrit :
>
> But AFAIK an empty bookmark file should not present any problems for Emacs (for
> bookmark handling, at least, and I would hope for Org mode and anything else
> too).
Yes, you have a point here.
I tested again the Org refile function in 3 cases :
- no bookmarks file
- an empty bookmarks file
- changed the ownership of the file so that the user has no rights to
write the bookmarks file
And it behaves gently in the 3 cases.
But I'm positive about the fact that the error disapeared when I removed
an empty bookmarks files.
Maybe Glenn could tell how he was able to corrupt his bookmarks file ?
jonathan
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 15:09 ` Drew Adams
2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-25 7:18 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-25 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 12702
Le 24/10/2012 17:09, Drew Adams a écrit :
>
> But AFAIK an empty bookmark file should not present any problems for Emacs (for
> bookmark handling, at least, and I would hope for Org mode and anything else
> too).
Yes, you have a point here.
I tested again the Org refile function in 3 cases :
- no bookmarks file
- an empty bookmarks file
- changed the ownership of the file so that the user has no rights to
write the bookmarks file
And it behaves gently in the 3 cases.
But I'm positive about the fact that the error disapeared when I removed
an empty bookmarks files.
Maybe Glenn could tell how he was able to corrupt his bookmarks file ?
jonathan
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 2 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Schaeffer @ 2012-10-24 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: 12702
Le 23/10/2012 18:24, Glenn Morris a écrit :
>
> I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
> Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
Wonderfull.
I had an empty ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks file.
I removed it and the problem is gone.
Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
>
The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
comes from :)
cheers,
Jonathan
PS. I'm kind of new to emacs, and use orgmode intensively now, and it's
my first emacs bug report. Your reactivity is realy great, I appreciate it.
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
@ 2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-24 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: Glenn Morris, 12702-done
Hi Jonathan,
Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
>> Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
>>
> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
> comes from :)
I enhanced the error message, which now says to save the buffer in a
file when refiling to the current non-file buffer.
(Reporting an error when the bookmark format is corrupted is left to
the bookmark library.)
I'm closing this bug now.
Thanks for reporting this!
--
Bastien
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* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-24 9:15 ` Jonathan Schaeffer
2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
@ 2012-10-24 13:29 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-10-24 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702-done
Hi Jonathan,
Jonathan Schaeffer <jonathan.schaeffer@univ-brest.fr> writes:
>> Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
>>
> The error message makes sense ... as soon as you know where the problem
> comes from :)
I enhanced the error message, which now says to save the buffer in a
file when refiling to the current non-file buffer.
(Reporting an error when the bookmark format is corrupted is left to
the bookmark library.)
I'm closing this bug now.
Thanks for reporting this!
--
Bastien
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 37+ messages in thread
* bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format"
2012-10-22 14:52 bug#12702: 24.2; Orgmode Refile complains "Not bookmark format" Jonathan Schaeffer
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-10-23 16:24 ` Glenn Morris
3 siblings, 0 replies; 37+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-10-23 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Schaeffer; +Cc: 12702
Jonathan Schaeffer wrote:
> To reproduce :
>
> Create a .org file, create 2 level-1 entries. Create one level-2 entry
> and hit C-c C-w to refile it into the other level-1 entry.
>
> Like this :
>
> * Entry One
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
>
> The level-2 entry is copied in the correct location but is not removed
> from original location.
> Minibuffer shows message "Not Bookmark Format". And the file looks like :
>
> * Entry One
> ** Refile Me
> * Entry Two
> ** Refile Me
I found a way to reproduce this: have a corrupt bookmarks file.
Check the contents of your bookmark-default-file. Try (re)moving it.
Perhaps Org could trap and report such errors more gracefully.
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