From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The Emacs Calculator and calendar Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 23:28:06 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5073C3F6.40606@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87y5jk3f7d.fsf@gmail.com> <87626md8aj.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83vcem6592.fsf@gnu.org> <5071E6E7.7080906@cs.ucla.edu> <50732AD7.8000003@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1349764088 30518 80.91.229.3 (9 Oct 2012 06:28:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 09 08:28:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TLTIc-00006p-P1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:28:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54757 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TLTIW-00062k-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54513) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TLTIU-00062a-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TLTIT-0000ap-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:55871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TLTIT-0000ai-3k; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 02:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7E5A60002; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:28:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XfP-7pt8G01W; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-108-23-119-2.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.23.119.2]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3C9939E8100; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:28:03 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Thunderbird/15.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154254 Archived-At: On 10/08/2012 03:39 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > ... That objection seems to be a red herring > since all the dates you gave are after 1556. My email had a typo. The Cabrillo Expedition was in 1542, not 1742. The objection was not a red herring. Sorry about the confusion. > Maybe one named "Hungarian" would be most convenient. Two jurisdictions around then could plausibly be called "Hungarian", but neither one controlled what is now Budapest. Using the name "Hungarian" for the jurisdiction that controlled Budapest back then would be ahistorical; it'd be a bit like using the name "German" for the jurisdiction that now controls Kaliningrad, Russia, merely because what is now Kaliningrad was formerly part of Germany. > Did the Ottoman empire use the Islamic calendar? Yes, back then. > If so, most Hungarians probably used some Christian calendar > during that period, and would be more satisfied if that one > were used for those years. Yes, no doubt most Hungarians of the time would have preferred some Christian calendar. But they weren't running the show, and for all I know were not even a majority in the area in question. This was not a temporary situation: the area was part of the Ottoman Empire for longer than Colorado has been a U.S. state. > Basically you are trying to make this idea fail > by being too rigid about it. Mostly, I'm just trying to explain how calendars get used.