From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12406: 24.2.50; frame parameter `menu-bar-lines' and `menu-bar-mode' Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:48:02 +0200 Message-ID: <5050BCC2.7040704@gmx.at> References: <54FF7233AE2E4AF39FEC5B688D67341E@us.oracle.com> <50504320.7030908@gmx.at> <95E595BA09D247A9BD45F52A304A471B@us.oracle.com> <5050A571.3060809@gmx.at> <2642D1C71B064D30A09DABF179962841@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347468510 4687 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2012 16:48:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12406@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 18:48:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq71-0000ya-DQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:48:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44498 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq6x-0008Nh-TF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38424) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq6q-0008NZ-Pa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq6p-0004Vp-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:16 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47759) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq6p-0004Vj-ME for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq7Z-0005Rh-U1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:49:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12406 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12406-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12406.134746853320914 (code B ref 12406); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12406) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2012 16:48:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq7Q-0005RH-Ff for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:46331) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBq7O-0005R9-Jc for 12406@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:48:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Sep 2012 16:47:57 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-58-95.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.58.95]) [62.47.58.95] by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 12 Sep 2012 18:47:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9dgAxgGX9YjinELvE2Pba608kuAU9vJyOPbbgRk FalR+MA3d9KHjg In-Reply-To: <2642D1C71B064D30A09DABF179962841@us.oracle.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64198 Archived-At: >> Because this way we'd have a consistent interface: The presence of a >> frame parameter would signal "leave this frame alone". > > That's inconsistent with the convention that absence of a frame parameter is > equivalent to its presence with a nil value. It is similar to proposing that we > give some special signification to the absense of a key in an alist, as opposed > to a key with value nil. You're probably right. > You are unnecessarily coupling things that do not belong together. That's a bad > idea. Whether a given parameter should be affected by a given function is > logically unrelated to whether the parameter is currently present for a given > frame, and is logically unrelated to the parameter's current value for a given > frame. Maybe. I never understood things like `tool-bar-lines-needed'. martin