From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12406: 24.2.50; frame parameter `menu-bar-lines' and `menu-bar-mode' Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:08:33 +0200 Message-ID: <5050A571.3060809@gmx.at> References: <54FF7233AE2E4AF39FEC5B688D67341E@us.oracle.com> <50504320.7030908@gmx.at> <95E595BA09D247A9BD45F52A304A471B@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347462574 13041 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2012 15:09:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12406@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 17:09:37 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZL-0008De-AF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:09:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34043 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZH-0006Yu-LG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40441) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZA-0006Rx-1K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZ2-00086d-8K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZ2-00086S-4v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZm-00039G-75 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12406 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12406-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12406.134746256012046 (code B ref 12406); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12406) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2012 15:09:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57216 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZ5-00038E-KT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:54838) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBoZ2-000386-Ne for 12406@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Sep 2012 15:08:29 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-37-217.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.37.217]) [62.47.37.217] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 12 Sep 2012 17:08:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++t7VA8Cm+77EsyxBcSdS5iueXT0g335ARdgaVB5 3Kc1OBpQv+oVsv In-Reply-To: <95E595BA09D247A9BD45F52A304A471B@us.oracle.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64190 Archived-At: >> IMHO it should update a frame iff that frame has no `menu-bar-lines' >> frame parameter.' > > Why? Why shouldn't a user be ABLE to turn on/off showing the menu bar in all > existing frames? Because this way we'd have a consistent interface: The presence of a frame parameter would signal "leave this frame alone". > One way or the other, we should find ways for users to alternatively easily do > that (affecting all existing frames) OR protect some frames from that toggling. Do you have a practical use case where my proposal harms? martin