From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50107.130.55.132.71.1276383475.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83eigclgf0.fsf@gnu.org> <89C16A134A024399A06EFE296DC6916F@us.oracle.com> <83r5kcjkpp.fsf@gnu.org> <83k4q4jdce.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276383489 29984 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 22:58:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 13 00:58:07 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONZeQ-0002Dg-8r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:58:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52694 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONZeP-0001Oa-QJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:58:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45507 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONZeK-0001OQ-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:58:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONZeJ-0002e8-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:58:00 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint2.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.26]:41047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONZeI-0002dy-RX; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by proofpoint2.lanl.gov (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o5CN7Mba032299; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:07:22 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85017BA5E5; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay2.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796EF17BA5E2; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id 77767450001; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from 130.55.132.71 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:57:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5_4.10.lanl1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2010-06-12_01:2010-02-06, 2010-06-12, 2010-06-11 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125866 Archived-At: > They act the same as they always have: forward typically means (continues to > mean) _toward eob_, even in a bidi setting. That's not obvious. I think it is obvious, given the premise that Emacs is not going to treat R2L text as a second-class citizen: why would "forward" be associated with anything other than toward EOB? (In particular, the only other possibility seems to be for "forward" to be a synonym for "right". That would make Emacs' bidi support something of a farce, for reasons that become pretty obvious once you consider things like `forward-paragraph'.) Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.