umlaute not recognized

umlaute not recognized

[Tim Häring]

Hello,

I have a problem with german "Umlaute" like ä, ö or ü in emacs.
If I write a text-file in e.g. gedit like the following:
Hällöle
and open it with emacs I get the following:
hällöle

Don`t know what the problem is. Becaus it is no problem to write Umlaute 
in the buffer. If I modify my file to
hällöle
äää
and save it with C-c C-s, exit emacs with C-x C-c, open emacs again and 
load my file, the Umlaute in the second row were correctly displayed.

I am relatively new to Linux und Emacs. So maybe the problem is very 
trivial. I am using GNU Emacs 23.1.1 under Ubuntu 10.10. I installed 
emacs using
apt-get install emacs

Thanks for every hint.

TIM

Re: umlaute not recognized

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 19.12.2010 um 19:52 schrieb Tim Häring:

> If I write a text-file in e.g. gedit like the following:
> Hällöle
> and open it with emacs I get the following:
> hällöle


Make GNU Emacs open the file in UTF-8! GNU Emacs will do that  
automatically when it finds in the environment LANG or LC_CTYPE set to  
some *.UTF-8 value. Another option is to put into your init file:

	(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)

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Re: umlaute not recognized

["Tim Häring"]

Problem solved,

thank you.
TIM


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:51:03 +0100
> Von: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
> An: "Tim Häring" <tim.haering@gmx.net>
> CC: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: umlaute not recognized

> 
> Am 19.12.2010 um 19:52 schrieb Tim Häring:
> 
> > If I write a text-file in e.g. gedit like the following:
> > Hällöle
> > and open it with emacs I get the following:
> > hällöle
> 
> 
> Make GNU Emacs open the file in UTF-8! GNU Emacs will do that  
> automatically when it finds in the environment LANG or LC_CTYPE set to  
> some *.UTF-8 value. Another option is to put into your init file:
> 
> 	(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> 
> --
> Mit friedvollen Grüßen
> 
>    Pete
> 
> You can learn many things from children.  How much patience you have,  
> for instance.
> 				– Franklin P. Jones
> 

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Re: umlaute not recognized

[LanX]

Hi Peter

I have a similar problem, which doesn't disappear with

(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)

and my env is set
:~$ env|grep LANG
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
GDM_LANG=de_DE.UTF-8

I have an org file where umlauts are occasionally set to something
like ä or \ddd (d=digit).

Exporting to latex fails for obscure reasons.

describe-coding-system says
----------------
Coding system for saving this buffer:
  1 -- iso-latin-1-unix (alias: iso-8859-1-unix latin-1-unix)

Default coding system (for new files):
  1 -- iso-latin-1-unix (alias: iso-8859-1-unix latin-1-unix)
----------------

And the codings system is the same for new files, despite all utf8
settings.

Any ideas?

Cheers
  Rolf

On 19 Dez., 20:51, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@Web.DE> wrote:
> Am 19.12.2010 um 19:52 schrieb Tim Häring:
>
> > If I write a text-file in e.g. gedit like the following:
> > Hällöle
> > and open it with emacs I get the following:
> > hällöle
>
> Make GNU Emacs open the file in UTF-8! GNU Emacs will do that
> automatically when it finds in the environment LANG or LC_CTYPE set to
> some *.UTF-8 value. Another option is to put into your init file:
>
>         (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)

Re: umlaute not recognized

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 20.12.2010 um 12:05 schrieb LanX:

> Any ideas?


No. I do not use org-mode. It might have its own ideas and keep  
resetting sane defaults. RTFM!

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Re: umlaute not recognized

[LanX]

> > Any ideas?
>
> No. I do not use org-mode. It might have its own ideas and keep  
> resetting sane defaults. RTFM!

Well it wasn't an org-mode problem, and I grepped all my .el for
"coding" and "system" to find the culprit setting...

Now I isolated a saved customization "current-language-environment"
set to "German" causing the problem.

Coding system settigs are fixed now! :)

thanks...


PS: well latex processing still fails, I'll have to isolate the
problem maybe any invisible characters causing problems...

Re: umlaute not recognized

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 20.12.2010 um 13:35 schrieb LanX:

> Now I isolated a saved customization "current-language-environment"
> set to "German" causing the problem.


Yes, a "language-environment" can be common, ähh, gemein!

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Re: umlaute not recognized

[Stefan Monnier]

>> > Any ideas?
>> No. I do not use org-mode. It might have its own ideas and keep
>> resetting sane defaults. RTFM!
> Well it wasn't an org-mode problem, and I grepped all my .el for
> "coding" and "system" to find the culprit setting...
> Now I isolated a saved customization "current-language-environment"
> set to "German" causing the problem.

Please report this via M-x report-emacs-bug:  setting a German language
env should not prevent recognition of utf-8 files.


        Stefan

Re: umlaute not recognized

[ken]

On 12/20/2010 06:05 AM LanX wrote:
> Hi Peter
> 
> I have a similar problem, which doesn't disappear with
> 
> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> 
> and my env is set
> :~$ env|grep LANG
> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
> GDM_LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
> 
> I have an org file where umlauts are occasionally set to something
> like ä or \ddd (d=digit).
> 
> Exporting to latex fails for obscure reasons.
> 
> describe-coding-system says
> ----------------
> Coding system for saving this buffer:
>   1 -- iso-latin-1-unix (alias: iso-8859-1-unix latin-1-unix)
> 
> Default coding system (for new files):
>   1 -- iso-latin-1-unix (alias: iso-8859-1-unix latin-1-unix)
> ----------------
> 
> And the codings system is the same for new files, despite all utf8
> settings.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Cheers
>   Rolf
> 
> On 19 Dez., 20:51, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@Web.DE> wrote:
>> Am 19.12.2010 um 19:52 schrieb Tim Häring:
>>
>>> If I write a text-file in e.g. gedit like the following:
>>> Hällöle
>>> and open it with emacs I get the following:
>>> hällöle
>> Make GNU Emacs open the file in UTF-8! GNU Emacs will do that
>> automatically when it finds in the environment LANG or LC_CTYPE set to
>> some *.UTF-8 value. Another option is to put into your init file:
>>
>>         (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)

What works for me:

Insert this into the top of the file:

<!-- -*- coding: utf-8; -*- -->

Do "C-x C-v RETURN" to reload the file.

I then see a 'U' in the second column of the status line.  Sometimes
there are characters in the file which are not UTF-8 and so which don't
display properly; they appear as '\366' or suchlike... a backslash and a
three-digit number.  Attempting to save the file, I'm queried about
them.  But I do a search-and-replace on these and when they're all
removed, the file is properly saved in UTF-8.

hth,
ken

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Re: umlaute not recognized

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 20.12.2010 um 13:57 schrieb ken:

> I then see a 'U' in the second column of the status line.  Sometimes
> there are characters in the file which are not UTF-8 and so which  
> don't
> display properly; they appear as '\366' or suchlike... a backslash  
> and a
> three-digit number.  Attempting to save the file, I'm queried about
> them.  But I do a search-and-replace on these and when they're all
> removed, the file is properly saved in UTF-8.


You could as well undo all editing or kill that buffer at once without  
saving, reopen it in the correct encoding, add the "header line" with  
the local variable settings, and then choose an UTF-8 encoding for  
saving! (Try it!)

Or you could use recode or iconv to change the file's encoding...

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