From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:38:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4pds0zz4.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uwsqot53l.fsf@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > Not just evidence: you should volunteer to do actual work.
>> [snip]
>>
>> ESR volunteered for implementing the DVCS and the bug-tracker. I
>> volunteered for spam-filtering and monitoring the bug-tracker. I can do
>> other misc things, such as pre-testing the system and later assist other
>> users on its use.
>
> Yes, I know. But -- and please forgive me for being so blunt -- I
> have enough grey hair to remember a few instances in the past where
> people with good intentions said things like that. Sadly, intentions
> are all we are left with to this day.
>
> I want to see some action, in addition to good intentions and more
> talking.
You have experience dealing with ESR. Don't you trust him?
I think that the reimplementation of VC that ESR just accomplished
involves an amount of work of the same order than implementing the
systems he proposed. I never was involved with ESR, but his offer seems
pretty credible to me.
>> > A bug tracker is a good case in point: Richard stated quite some time
>> > ago the basic requirements for his acceptance of such a tool, but no
>> > one stepped forward to do anything practical about that.
>>
>> I'll be grateful if you direct me to the message where this requirements
>> were stated. I failed to find it on the archives.
>
> What did you look for? "bug tracker" worked for me.
I'm using the search facility at
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/ and when I enter "bug
tracker" or "bug database" (quotes included) the result is
References: [ (Too many documents hit. Ignored) ]
No document matching your query.
> Try the thread which started with this message:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2006-10/msg00484.html
Thanks! Reading it.
>> A bug tracker that is not updated by its users is worse than not having
>> a bug tracker. :-)
>
> X done badly is worse than not having X... this is a general
> justification for rejecting change, not for rejecting bad ideas.
>
> These are not my words, they're yours, posted just a few hours ago.
That is not the same case. There are certain tools that must do its job
well enough. If you usually search the mailing list for data about a
bug, the bug system is offering little gain. Basically, you are doing
more work than before: now you must look into the bug system and the
mailing list. Absurd.
But as I mentioned on the message you quoted, I think this will not
happen, as the bug system would monitor the mailing list and swallow
data from there.
>> The advantages of a living database over a static text file are too
>> large to enumerate.
>
> But the advantage of the flat text file is that it exists.
Seriously, I don't understand your attitude. Is like somebody were
asking you to take some risk.
--
Oscar
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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-04 16:44 Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 17:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-04 18:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 18:38 ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 14:31 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 18:50 ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 19:51 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-05 19:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 20:13 ` Sven Joachim
2008-01-05 20:28 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 10:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 22:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 19:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-07 11:31 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 19:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-04 19:40 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-04 23:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 0:44 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 1:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-05 2:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 16:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-05 19:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 19:12 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 20:38 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2008-01-05 21:55 ` Reiner Steib
2008-01-05 22:05 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 22:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 22:00 ` Bastien
2008-01-05 22:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:32 ` Bastien
2008-01-06 0:52 ` Bastien
2008-01-07 17:15 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 1:06 ` Bastien
2008-01-06 10:46 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 23:49 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09 1:13 ` Leo
2008-01-09 1:48 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09 1:28 ` Andrea Russo
2008-01-09 1:49 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-05 12:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 17:40 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-06 1:10 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-06 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:18 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 21:27 ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-06 21:35 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 6:56 ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-07 8:23 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 14:28 ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-10 4:11 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-05 22:23 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 22:23 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 23:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-06 17:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 20:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:17 ` Bastien
2008-01-05 5:20 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 11:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 14:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 15:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 16:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 19:58 ` Chris Ball
2008-01-05 20:50 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 21:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-06 16:38 ` email-based development (was:: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker) John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-05 8:51 ` Let a QA department into the works Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 8:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 11:15 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 19:52 ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 21:39 ` Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Bastien
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06 10:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 18:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 21:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 23:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06 1:03 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 2:08 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-06 4:08 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 10:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:22 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 13:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:13 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 15:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 11:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 13:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-08 19:06 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-09 15:35 ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-06 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 5:30 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-07 14:40 ` Yavor Doganov
2008-01-10 4:23 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-10 6:46 ` Mark Linimon
2008-01-11 7:00 ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-11 15:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-11 20:42 ` Ralf Angeli
2008-01-11 21:25 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-11 22:41 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-11 23:14 ` Evans Winner
2008-01-13 8:35 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:02 ` Martin Geisler
2008-01-07 11:31 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 21:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
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