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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Subject: Re: Threads in emacs implementation
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:09:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4nzmtpqdlp.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: fc339e4a0506161756274eff17@mail.gmail.com

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, snogglethorpe@gmail.com wrote:

> A huge amount of the actively maintained state in Emacs is stored in
> global variables (often buffer-local of course, but still "global"
> as far as threads are concerned).

Thank you for the clarification.

I'm thinking of ways to avoid the stack penalties the other proposals
involve.  Could we allow only secondary threads with thread-local
variables and forked copies of globals?  Then, to modify the main
thread's version of a global variable a special protocol must be
followed (through the VM).  Threads wouldn't be able to access
existing buffers and buffer-local variables without going through the
VM protocol, either (but they can create their own buffers, which will
be isolated within the thread).  The ideal thread would be a pure
function (if I remember my definitions right, a pure function f(x)
depends only on x).

This will make threads more of a utility than a true built-in, and
threaded code would be written especially for that purpose.  Existing
code would continue to run without changes - this will save us
rewriting a huge amount of code.

Is this feasible?  Would this kind of limited threading be useful?

Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-17 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-07  2:22 Threads in emacs implementation Denis Bueno
2005-06-07  2:52 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-07  2:59   ` Denis Bueno
2005-06-07  4:26     ` Miles Bader
2005-06-07  5:16 ` Ken Raeburn
2005-06-07 10:37   ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-08 12:02   ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-08 18:01 ` Magnus Henoch
2005-06-08 19:52   ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-08 20:23     ` jhd
2005-06-08 20:47       ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-08 22:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-06-08 21:43     ` Magnus Henoch
2005-06-08 22:26       ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-08 22:34       ` hidden buffers for async (was Re: Threads in emacs implementation) Nic Ferrier
2005-06-08 23:36         ` Miles Bader
2005-06-10  0:13         ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-10  1:15           ` hidden buffers for async Nic Ferrier
2005-06-10  1:32             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-06-10  1:59               ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-10 22:37             ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-11 20:26               ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-11 21:05                 ` Henrik Enberg
2005-06-12 10:30                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-12 19:48                   ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-13 15:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-12 17:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-06-13  6:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2005-06-09 14:41       ` Threads in emacs implementation Richard Stallman
2005-06-09 14:40   ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-10 19:09     ` Ted Zlatanov
2005-06-11  3:48       ` Masatake YAMATO
2005-06-11 12:18       ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-15 15:59         ` Ted Zlatanov
2005-06-15 23:26           ` Miles Bader
2005-06-16 16:25             ` Ted Zlatanov
2005-06-17  0:56               ` Miles Bader
2005-06-17 14:09                 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2005-06-17 18:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-20 18:04                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2005-06-21 15:13                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-21 18:36                         ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-22  3:40                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-06-20  2:11                   ` Miles Bader
2005-06-20 10:28                     ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-20 11:19                       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-06-20 11:48                       ` David Kastrup
2005-06-20 12:07                         ` Nic Ferrier
2005-06-20 17:52                     ` Ted Zlatanov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-08  8:24 tomas
2005-06-09  0:29 Steven Wu

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