From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-Xtra Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:05:03 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <4nodz4ywgg.fsf@asimov.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <17469.29694.605871.59144@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17469.53282.265431.557135@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <4nd5flnwtg.fsf@asimov.bwh.harvard.edu> <4nek002s4h.fsf@asimov.bwh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145031029 22141 80.91.229.2 (14 Apr 2006 16:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 14 18:10:24 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQsB-00074Q-1s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:10:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQsA-0000yO-Fl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQmr-0001Dp-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:04:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQmp-0001AX-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:04:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQmo-0001AE-LV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:04:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUQmo-0000xA-Q5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQml-00066w-5g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:04:39 +0200 Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.54.119]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:04:39 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by asimov.bwh.harvard.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:04:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: asimov.bwh.harvard.edu X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110005 (No Gnus v0.5) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hMqelJmIL6bFOuqupXBSJkY4uTY= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52871 Archived-At: On 14 Apr 2006, eliz@gnu.org wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> By the same reasoning the FSF should not publish a two-part ELisp >> reference manual, because half of it could be online and it's cheaper >> to publish one book. > > You are driving the arguments to absurd, which doesn't help to resolve > the issue in a reasonable way. Sorry if it seems that way, I thought it was a sensible analogy. Absurd would be "the FSF should not publish anything because it's cheapest" ;) > That's the reasoning I got from Richard, and I'll let him restate or > revise it (in the latter case, I apologize for possible confusion). Fair enough. I just wanted to make sure the goal was not mistakenly set to be one thing (smaller manual) when the FSF really wants to accomplish another (lower costs). Obviously RMS and you have discussed it, and I'll defer to your knowledge of the situation and costs. > I hope the solution I suggested elsewhere in this thread will be > accepted as a reasonable compromise. I have two more suggestions: - decrease the font size in the published manuals. ORA books and many others use a noticeably smaller font, and are quite readable. - edit the manual to shorten it, without losing content. The latter is not too hard. There are many sentences that could be shortened or reworded without loss, after a cursory look through the manual. Ted