From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-Xtra Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:39:42 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <4nek002s4h.fsf@asimov.bwh.harvard.edu> References: <17469.29694.605871.59144@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17469.53282.265431.557135@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <4nd5flnwtg.fsf@asimov.bwh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145021979 23328 80.91.229.2 (14 Apr 2006 13:39:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 14 15:39:35 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOWL-0007JR-Pm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:39:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOWL-0007ql-BG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:39:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOW4-0007oP-7a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:39:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOW2-0007mh-IH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:39:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOW2-0007mZ-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:39:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUOba-0003Z3-Ar for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FUOVv-0007Fr-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:39:07 +0200 Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.54.119]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:39:07 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by asimov.bwh.harvard.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:39:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: asimov.bwh.harvard.edu X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110005 (No Gnus v0.5) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8GoYu0Pe7UHF/VYt5oMZVPnCEkk= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52868 Archived-At: On 14 Apr 2006, eliz@gnu.org wrote: > Dividing the manual into 2 volumes doesn't solve the problem which is > the main cause for trying to keep the manual's size down. The main > cause is that a larger manual increases the price of printing the > books, and thus makes it harder for the FSF to publish new versions. > (I'm guessing that publishing 2 volumes will increase the price even > more.) By the same reasoning the FSF should not publish a two-part ELisp reference manual, because half of it could be online and it's cheaper to publish one book. I think that's false reasoning. If the price is prohibitive, let the FSF decide *that*, but Emacs certainly contains enough for two and even three manuals, so we should not start with the assumption that we have to have a smaller manual. Remember also that two books will increase revenue, not just costs - but as I said, that's for the FSF to decide. FWIW, I would gladly buy a better manual in two volumes. Ted