From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Emacs setup assistants Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:53 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <4n4qq3l1x6.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <1438-Thu20May2004203119+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <4nd64y29zc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <2719-Fri21May2004201241+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <4nn041u050.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n1xl9kjab.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n1xl89xto.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87smdocgn1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <85lljgcdyh.fsf@servant.blindglobe.net> <20040525231939.GB26297@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085646245 5864 80.91.224.253 (27 May 2004 08:24:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 27 10:23:55 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BTGB9-0008Dl-00 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:23:55 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BTGB9-0000ym-00 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:23:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BTFvW-0008UI-6x for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 27 May 2004 04:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BTFvF-0008Rd-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2004 04:07:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BT0qq-0008P8-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:02:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BT01A-00086v-Q0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 11:08:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BSzI4-0003CV-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 16:21:56 +0200 Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.9.63]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 16:21:56 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by asimov.bwh.harvard.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 16:21:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: asimov.bwh.harvard.edu X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:a68CXWLrI2tl6OwlCgc+MFZ58QY= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:24005 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:14864 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:24005 On 26 May 2004, dak@gnu.org wrote: > I don't see how being forced artificially to keep a sequence will > make things simpler. If you don't want the "complication" of being > able to look ahead, you are not forced to do so. > > Personally, I find it rather a nuisance if some software forces a > sequence unto me that basically forces me to completely start over if > I made a mistake at the beginning somewhere. I am OK with such free navigation as long as it's optional and off by default. I just don't want to spend time developing it, but it's a perfectly fine feature. > I can live perfectly well without that sort of "simplicity". Well, yes, and you're unlikely to need assistants as well :) Think about new Emacs users. I have seen plenty over the years, and I speak from experience when I say that if they get assistants, free navigation by default would be a disservice. Simplicity in UI design is a feature, not a lack thereof. Ted