From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Emacs setup assistants Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:16:35 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <4n1xl89xto.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87zn847n6a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <1438-Thu20May2004203119+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <4nd64y29zc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <2719-Fri21May2004201241+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <4nn041u050.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n1xl9kjab.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085513909 17087 80.91.224.253 (25 May 2004 19:38:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue May 25 21:38:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BShke-0002n1-00 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:38:16 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BShkd-0004ZP-00 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:38:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BShEZ-0007e6-UF for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BShES-0007dA-Pz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:05:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BShDw-0007VC-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:04:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSgk2-0002ec-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BSgk1-0003sE-00 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from asimov.bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.9.63]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by asimov.bwh.harvard.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 20:33:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: asimov.bwh.harvard.edu X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xfnjfVuBajm2r6K1ONk3+cVgK4I= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23929 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:14830 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23929 On 24 May 2004, dak@gnu.org wrote: > Ted Zlatanov writes: >> I think that's reasonable. I don't want users to *jump* to 3.3 or >> 2 from 3.1, that's the major issue I'm raising. > > It's their beef. > > In particular, some might want to look ahead in order to figure what > to answer for the current question. I think this would subvert the whole idea of assistants and make them too much of a power user's tool. Power users don't need assistants. I am strongly convinced of this, based on my experience designing UIs (text and graphical). If you or other X?Emacs developers feel the need to provide such an interface, at least make it optional and off by default. Ted