From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4edf2082-bc96-4fc8-a499-6f74f62fb456@default> References: <> <> <<87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se>> <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="144324"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 16:41:15 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvWb-000bOg-SL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:39:00 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w1157eft1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:38:59 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA2FcKMK028491; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:38:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=899 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=986 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170819 Archived-At: > It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so > I think the case for the change is quite weak. That's true. And the fact that using `?' immediately shows `*Help*' helps (especially if that help tells you about `?' - see below). So I retract my vote to remove it. ___ However, it might be better for the displayed help to not immediately disappear if you click it or try to search it (`C-s'), etc., and to put it into a separate window. I.e., let it just do what `C-h m' does. And it might be better for the displayed help to put this first line before other key descriptions: ?=09Display this help. (`C-q ?' inserts `?'.) h=09Invoke the Info tutorial. q=09Quit Info: reselect previously selected buffer.