From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: [External] : bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 16:48:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4edb14352609adc24c52@heytings.org> References: <87blabpy54.fsf@gnus.org> <0d7924a2-d09f-e2d0-f0e7-6b5ee3a7a7f2@yandex.ru> <192e82f20f5deb690394@heytings.org> <87zgxmjkr9.fsf@gnus.org> <874kfs3585.fsf@gnus.org> <87v987z53l.fsf@gnus.org> <8fba78a42ee78011f182@heytings.org> <80b9aa43-9924-ae07-df60-87dde8c17378@yandex.ru> <8fba78a42eb8bd480d61@heytings.org> <3a17b49f-2a5c-42b6-4375-7544b67fd471@yandex.ru> <4edb1435264f2530594d@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5977"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , "1305@debbugs.gnu.org" <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>, Michael Welsh Duggan , Stefan Kangas , "jasonspiro4@gmail.com" , Dmitry Gutov , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 01 18:49:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lcso6-0001RT-JS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 18:49:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43194 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcso5-00061j-MY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:49:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsne-0005x0-Kg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsnd-0004EO-VV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsnd-0001EB-T0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:49:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 16:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1305.16198877354705 (code B ref 1305); Sat, 01 May 2021 16:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2021 16:48:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsnW-0001Dp-UL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:33096) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lcsnU-0001Dj-VH for 1305@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 May 2021 12:48:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1619887731; bh=WJbdHufmq12aVyjbbYB8XkE5lJNz4rusg4uNrBs3jEY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=PpQwUW3YHuEuTdKLiZf4yzZJGn7IlZQ4qt5VbY5Qf75mzNDqX7Wdqp/J/yvZDvHHU FYkZS1NbpcvyTittC7D/QgaAs6XOaokfS79E26JOd2R89eu5OXbr3wYC6t2YFRBeE9 vwDxl7SsI9CgP9MOhzO3ru6ezM2PF056G21+VvCAnPCfIgPsFjtQh3TW73uQ6UaD3U SqeSz759jeQ50sqR3PQDAllTN6OJtfkrkilgclG9pqgLJ7Qp46diwqyBl4hfOScN57 I0dv4Yw0WwH35ggbXqj4pPcVzMuSJbkyI4kYQxx4aSLa8FauKK2i9Oo4/U75ilOoPL qfuw2vulWM8Zw== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205358 Archived-At: >> You may have seen earlier in this thread that having to wait for the >> end of the animation to see the error message is not considered >> optimal. > > That's the current behavior of `visual-bell` and I can't remember anyone > complaining about it. So maybe the complaint you refer to was due to a > slightly longer duration of the animation? > Ah yes, indeed! I don't know why I didn't see this when Stefan K made that objection. OTOH, now that I'm using the patch in which there is no such delay (except when 'ding' is used), I agree with him that it's better to see the error message immediately. Perhaps this delay is less visible, from a psychological viewpoint, with an inverse video flash? > > [ When I saw that complaint, it rang quite right to me; I thought "yeah, > of course the error message should be visible during the flash, just as > is the case with the GNU/Linux visual-bell I use and love", and then I > hit `C-g` and saw that the message only appears after the flashing ;-) ] > I'm reassured to see that I wasn't alone to err in the darkness of ignorance ;-)