Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Chong Yidong]

Emacs pretest 23.0.92 is now available; this is the third pretest for
what will be the Emacs 23.1 release.  You can download it via FTP, at
the following location:

  http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.92.tar.gz

The xdelta against the previous pretest, 23.0.91, is here:

  http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.91-23.0.92.xdelta

Pretesters: please send an email to me reporting success or failure on
your build platform.  In addition, please report bugs via M-x
report-emacs-bugs, or send an email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.  For
questions, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org.

Thank you.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Jason Rumney]

Chong Yidong wrote:
> Emacs pretest 23.0.92 is now available; this is the third pretest for
> what will be the Emacs 23.1 release.  You can download it via FTP, at
> the following location:
>
>   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.92.tar.gz
>
> The xdelta against the previous pretest, 23.0.91, is here:
>
>   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.91-23.0.92.xdelta
>
> Pretesters: please send an email to me reporting success or failure on
> your build platform.  In addition, please report bugs via M-x
> report-emacs-bugs, or send an email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.  For
> questions, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org.
>
> Thank you.
>   

Windows binaries built OK, and have been uploaded to:

  http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Ugly Me]

> Chong Yidong wrote:
> > Emacs pretest 23.0.92 is now available; this is the third pretest for
> > what will be the Emacs 23.1 release.  You can download it via FTP, at
> > the following location:
> >
> >   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.92.tar.gz
> >
> > The xdelta against the previous pretest, 23.0.91, is here:
> >
> >   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.91-23.0.92.xdelta
> >
> > Pretesters: please send an email to me reporting success or failure on
> > your build platform.  In addition, please report bugs via M-x
> > report-emacs-bugs, or send an email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.  For
> > questions, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org.
> >
> > Thank you.

Because I don't know if this is a bug or not, I'm sending the message here.
This build opens up TWO processes. One being the main emacs application, and
the other opens in what resembles a DOS screen with nothing but a cursor
that I can't seem to do anything with except move it around the screen.
If I try to close that, both processes terminate.  I don't recall this ever
happening in previous builds.
However, in a previous version I had a colour scheme problem which still
holds true.
For example, the opening line on the title screen: "Welcome to GNU Emacs,
one component of the GNU operating system."

This is in red, which is fine, except for "GNU Emacs" and "GNU" which is in
a bright turquoise shade.  So are the links and the build information.
This makes it VERY difficult to read and I'm wondering how to change the
default colours.  I know it's probably there somewhere but I'm having
trouble finding it.
True, I'm not fluent in Emacs but I still don't mind using beta versions,
and, the colour problem is not limited to this version anyhow, but also of
22.3.1 as well.
Prior to this I never had a problem.

-Sean
msudol0928@rogers.com

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Chong Yidong]

"Ugly Me" <ugly@frightenstein.com> writes:

> For example, the opening line on the title screen: "Welcome to GNU Emacs,
> one component of the GNU operating system."
>
> This is in red, which is fine, except for "GNU Emacs" and "GNU" which is in
> a bright turquoise shade.  So are the links and the build information.
> This makes it VERY difficult to read

That's surprising---by default, the color for links should be blue on
bright backgrounds.  It's cyan on dark backgrounds, but cyan should be
perfectly visible on dark backgrounds.  Have you performed any color
customizations?

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Chong Yidong]

>> That's surprising---by default, the color for links should be blue on
>> bright backgrounds.  It's cyan on dark backgrounds, but cyan should be
>> perfectly visible on dark backgrounds.  Have you performed any color
>> customizations?
>
> That's my point. I haven't.

As I was saying, the shade of blue used for links should be legible by
default, and it's a bug if it's not.  Can you confirm that it's cyan on
a white background, as opposed to dark blue on a white background (which
is what I see for the default on GNU/Linux)?

> How do I do it?

Customize the `link' face (see the Emacs manual for details of
customization).

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Jan Djärv]

Chong Yidong skrev:
>>> That's surprising---by default, the color for links should be blue on
>>> bright backgrounds.  It's cyan on dark backgrounds, but cyan should be
>>> perfectly visible on dark backgrounds.  Have you performed any color
>>> customizations?
>> That's my point. I haven't.
> 
> As I was saying, the shade of blue used for links should be legible by
> default, and it's a bug if it's not.  Can you confirm that it's cyan on
> a white background, as opposed to dark blue on a white background (which
> is what I see for the default on GNU/Linux)?
> 
>> How do I do it?
> 
> Customize the `link' face (see the Emacs manual for details of
> customization).
> 

I've noticed that some distributions of GNU/Linux does customizations for you, 
on a global basis.  Check for anything like /etc/emacs, /etc/emacs.d, 
/etc/X11/app-defaults/Emacs, /usr/lib/X11/app-default/Emacs.

	Jan D.

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Ugly Me]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chong Yidong" <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: "Ugly Me" <ugly@frightenstein.com>
Cc: <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest


> >> That's surprising---by default, the color for links should be blue on
> >> bright backgrounds.  It's cyan on dark backgrounds, but cyan should be
> >> perfectly visible on dark backgrounds.  Have you performed any color
> >> customizations?
> >
> > That's my point. I haven't.
>
> As I was saying, the shade of blue used for links should be legible by
> default, and it's a bug if it's not.  Can you confirm that it's cyan on
> a white background, as opposed to dark blue on a white background (which
> is what I see for the default on GNU/Linux)?
>
> > How do I do it?
>
> Customize the `link' face (see the Emacs manual for details of
> customization).

First things first. I did not FIX the problem of it opening in a full blank
screen, but in modifying the DOS parameters I instructed the program to open
in a window rather than full screen.
Thus the blank DOS window opens in the background while the emacs program
opens in the foreground.  As I think I said before, this has never happened
in previous versions I have used.
As usual, close the task for the blank window, Emacs terminates.
As for the link face part... I'll check the manual.

Re: [h-e-w] Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Andy Moreton]

On Sat 04 Apr 2009, Ugly Me wrote:
> First things first. I did not FIX the problem of it opening in a full blank
> screen, but in modifying the DOS parameters I instructed the program to open
> in a window rather than full screen.
> Thus the blank DOS window opens in the background while the emacs program
> opens in the foreground.  As I think I said before, this has never happened
> in previous versions I have used.
> As usual, close the task for the blank window, Emacs terminates.
> As for the link face part... I'll check the manual.

How are you starting emacs ? If you run "emacs.exe" then you will see a
DOS box as an artifact of the way Windows distinguishes between console
and windowed programs. Try starting emacs using "runemacs.exe" instead.

HTH

    AndyM

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Neal Becker]

Chong Yidong wrote:

> Emacs pretest 23.0.92 is now available; this is the third pretest for
> what will be the Emacs 23.1 release.  You can download it via FTP, at
> the following location:
> 
>   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.92.tar.gz
> 
> The xdelta against the previous pretest, 23.0.91, is here:
> 
>   http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.91-23.0.92.xdelta
> 
> Pretesters: please send an email to me reporting success or failure on
> your build platform.  In addition, please report bugs via M-x
> report-emacs-bugs, or send an email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.  For
> questions, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org.
> 
> Thank you.

Still has mktime bug!  There was a patch for this sent to this list.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Chong Yidong]

Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> writes:

> Still has mktime bug!  There was a patch for this sent to this list.

Strange, the unpatched configure got into the tarball for some reason.
I'll look into it.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[David Robinow]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> wrote:
> Emacs pretest 23.0.92 is now available; this is the third pretest for
> what will be the Emacs 23.1 release.  You can download it via FTP, at
> the following location:
>
>  http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.92.tar.gz
>
> The xdelta against the previous pretest, 23.0.91, is here:
>
>  http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-23.0.91-23.0.92.xdelta
>
> Pretesters: please send an email to me reporting success or failure on
> your build platform.  In addition, please report bugs via M-x
> report-emacs-bugs, or send an email to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.  For
> questions, please email emacs-devel@gnu.org.
>
> Thank you.
Fails on MSVC:

frame.c
frame.c(3283) : warning C4047: '=' : 'Lisp_Object' differs in levels
of indirection from 'Window'
frame.c(3430) : error C2275: 'Lisp_Object' : illegal use of this type
as an expression
        c:\home\emacs-23.0.92\src\lisp.h(315) : see declaration of 'Lisp_Object'
frame.c(3430) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'lval'
frame.c(3430) : error C2144: syntax error : '<Unknown>' should be
preceded by '<Unknown>'
frame.c(3430) : error C2144: syntax error : '<Unknown>' should be
preceded by '<Unknown>'
frame.c(3430) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before 'identifier'
frame.c(3430) : error C2065: 'lval' : undeclared identifier

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:20:02 -0400
> From: David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Fails on MSVC:

What version, please?

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[David Robinow]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:20:02 -0400
>> From: David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com>
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>> Fails on MSVC:
>
> What version, please?
>
Sorry, I should know better.

 Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003
 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 3

	cl -I. -nologo -c -Zel -W2 -H63 -Oxsb2 -Oy- -G6dF -Zp8     -Demacs=1
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../nt/inc -DHAVE_NTGUI=1  -DPURESIZE=5000000
-Foobj-spd/i386\ alloc.c atimer.c buffer.c bytecode.c callint.c
callproc.c casefiddle.c cm.c cmds.c data.c dired.c dispnew.c doc.c
doprnt.c editfns.c eval.c fileio.c filelock.c filemode.c fns.c
indent.c insdel.c keyboard.c keymap.c lread.c macros.c marker.c md5.c
minibuf.c w32.c w32heap.c w32inevt.c w32proc.c w32console.c print.c
process.c regex.c scroll.c search.c sound.c syntax.c sysdep.c term.c
termcap.c tparam.c undo.c unexw32.c window.c xdisp.c casetab.c
floatfns.c frame.c gmalloc.c intervals.c composite.c ralloc.c
textprop.c vm-limit.c region-cache.c strftime.c charset.c character.c
chartab.c coding.c category.c ccl.c font.c fontset.c fringe.c image.c
terminal.c menu.c

...
frame.c
frame.c(3283) : warning C4047: '=' : 'Lisp_Object' differs in levels
of indirection from 'Window'
frame.c(3430) : error C2275: 'Lisp_Object' : illegal use of this type
as an expression
        c:\home\emacs-23.0.92\src\lisp.h(315) : see declaration of 'Lisp_Object'
frame.c(3430) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'lval'
frame.c(3430) : error C2144: syntax error : '<Unknown>' should be
preceded by '<Unknown>'
frame.c(3430) : error C2144: syntax error : '<Unknown>' should be
preceded by '<Unknown>'
frame.c(3430) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before 'identifier'
frame.c(3430) : error C2065: 'lval' : undeclared identifier

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Jason Rumney]

David Robinow wrote:
> Fails on MSVC:
>
> frame.c
> frame.c(3283) : warning C4047: '=' : 'Lisp_Object' differs in levels
> of indirection from 'Window'
> frame.c(3430) : error C2275: 'Lisp_Object' : illegal use of this type
> as an expression
>         c:\home\emacs-23.0.92\src\lisp.h(315) : see declaration of 'Lisp_Object'
>   

The problem was a C99 style mid-block variable declaration. Obviously 
gcc accepts this, or it would have been picked up earlier, but I'm 
surprised not to have heard about it from others using a pre-C99 compiler.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Mikko Huhtala]

Builds without errors on Fedora 11 Beta on i686.

    gcc-4.4.0-0.31.i586
    glibc-2.9.90-11.i686
    libX11-1.2-3.fc11.i586
    libXft-2.1.13-2.fc11.i586
    freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586
    gtk2-2.16.0-1.fc11.i586

The mktime timeout is still there.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Neal Becker]

Mikko Huhtala wrote:

> 
> Builds without errors on Fedora 11 Beta on i686.
> 
>     gcc-4.4.0-0.31.i586
>     glibc-2.9.90-11.i686
>     libX11-1.2-3.fc11.i586
>     libXft-2.1.13-2.fc11.i586
>     freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586
>     gtk2-2.16.0-1.fc11.i586
> 
> The mktime timeout is still there.

Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support 
emacs.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <gqvon1$di6$3@ger.gmane.org>, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> writes:

> Mikko Huhtala wrote:
> > 
> > Builds without errors on Fedora 11 Beta on i686.
> > 
> >     gcc-4.4.0-0.31.i586
> >     glibc-2.9.90-11.i686
> >     libX11-1.2-3.fc11.i586
> >     libXft-2.1.13-2.fc11.i586
> >     freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586
> >     gtk2-2.16.0-1.fc11.i586
> > 
> > The mktime timeout is still there.

> Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support 
> emacs.

m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
Layout.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Neal Becker]

Kenichi Handa wrote:

> In article <gqvon1$di6$3@ger.gmane.org>, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com>
> writes:
> 
>> Mikko Huhtala wrote:
>> > 
>> > Builds without errors on Fedora 11 Beta on i686.
>> > 
>> >     gcc-4.4.0-0.31.i586
>> >     glibc-2.9.90-11.i686
>> >     libX11-1.2-3.fc11.i586
>> >     libXft-2.1.13-2.fc11.i586
>> >     freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586
>> >     gtk2-2.16.0-1.fc11.i586
>> > 
>> > The mktime timeout is still there.
> 
>> Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support
>> emacs.
> 
> m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> Layout.
> 

I'm using m17n-lib-devel package on fedora.  I assume that is sufficient?

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <gr13rf$4sh$1@ger.gmane.org>, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support
emacs.
> > 
> > m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> > Layout.
> > 

> I'm using m17n-lib-devel package on fedora.  I assume that is sufficient?

Ah, yes, libm17n-flt should be included in that package.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:01:11 +0900
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> In article <gqvon1$di6$3@ger.gmane.org>, Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Mikko Huhtala wrote:
> > > 
> > > Builds without errors on Fedora 11 Beta on i686.
> > > 
> > >     gcc-4.4.0-0.31.i586
> > >     glibc-2.9.90-11.i686
> > >     libX11-1.2-3.fc11.i586
> > >     libXft-2.1.13-2.fc11.i586
> > >     freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586
> > >     gtk2-2.16.0-1.fc11.i586
> > > 
> > > The mktime timeout is still there.
> 
> > Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support 
> > emacs.
> 
> m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> Layout.

That should be probably mentioned in INSTALL.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <u63hnkajg.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> > Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:01:11 +0900
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
[...]
> > > Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support 
> > > emacs.
> > 
> > m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> > Layout.

> That should be probably mentioned in INSTALL.

Current INSTALL has this section.  What should be added?

------------------------------------------------------------
* Complex Text Layout support libraries

Emacs needs the optional libraries "m17n-db", "libm17n-flt", "libotf"
to correctly display such complex scripts as Indic and Khmer.
On some systems, particularly GNU/Linux, these libraries may be
already present or available as additional packages.  Note that if
there is a separate `dev' or `devel' package, for use at compilation
time rather than run time, you will need that as well as the
corresponding run time package; typically the dev package will contain
header files and a library archive.  Otherwise, you can download and
build libraries from sources.

The sources of these libraries are available by anonymous CVS from
cvs.m17n.org.

    % cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/m17n login
    % cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/m17n co m17n-db
    % cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/m17n co m17n-lib
    % cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.m17n.org:/cvs/m17n co libotf

For m17n-lib, if you have problems with making the whole package
because you lack some other packages on which m17n-lib depends, try to
configure it with the option "--without-gui".
------------------------------------------------------------

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> CC: ndbecker2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:38:53 +0900
> 
> In article <u63hnkajg.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > > From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> > > Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:01:11 +0900
> > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> [...]
> > > > Don't forget libotf!  I maintain that for fedora specifically to support 
> > > > emacs.
> > > 
> > > m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> > > Layout.
> 
> > That should be probably mentioned in INSTALL.
> 
> Current INSTALL has this section.  What should be added?
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> * Complex Text Layout support libraries

Sorry, I didn't see it because it's (IMO) too far from the beginning.
How about moving it before the section that talks about intlfonts?

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <uvdpmj1gf.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > Current INSTALL has this section.  What should be added?
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > * Complex Text Layout support libraries

> Sorry, I didn't see it because it's (IMO) too far from the beginning.
> How about moving it before the section that talks about intlfonts?

Ok, I've just move that section to the earlier place.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
> CC: ndbecker2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:59:45 +0900
> 
> In article <uvdpmj1gf.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > > Current INSTALL has this section.  What should be added?
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > * Complex Text Layout support libraries
> 
> > Sorry, I didn't see it because it's (IMO) too far from the beginning.
> > How about moving it before the section that talks about intlfonts?
> 
> Ok, I've just move that section to the earlier place.

Thank you.

Re: Emacs 23.0.92 pretest

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:01:11 +0900, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:
> m17n-flt is necessary too to utilize libotf for Complex Text
> Layout.

I've updated the FreeBSD port of 'emacs-devel' to use the new pretest:

  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=133294

It should be soon available through the normal Ports tree, after it
passes review and is committed to CVS :)