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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: 39902@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#39902: 28.0.50; Marking in dired with active region
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:33:56 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4dd30e49-9a6a-4962-a6f2-1a68a41ce5e2@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875zexf6l3.fsf@web.de>

> > Here is a complete implementation, please try if it works for you:
> 
> Yes, works well, thank you very much.  Also other marking commands seem
> to work well with the new option.
> 
> The docstring of `dired-mark-inclusive' should be enhanced a bit I
> think.  You could add one sentence about what "inclusive" means, and
> another saying that other (un-)marking commands are also covered.

I took a quick look - didn't check much.  

Seems OK to me too (but I'd prefer a non-nil default
value for the option, as already mentioned).

---

However, I notice one thing that seems like a bug
(didn't notice it before) - and the bug is present even
without the patch:

If `use-empty-active-region' is non-nil, and the region
is empty, then `m' marks the current line only sometimes,
depending on where point is.  And the behavior differs,
depending on the value of option `dired-mark-inclusive':

`dired-mark-inclusive' = nil:

   marks line only if point is on the 2nd file-name
   char or any char after that (including eol, i.e.,
   _after_ the file name)

`dired-mark-inclusive' = t:

   marks only if point is not at bol

IMO, the behavior should be the same, regardless of
the cursor position on the line.  I think it should
mark the line:

* for any position, if `dired-mark-inclusive' = t
* for any position on the file name, otherwise

Juri, you decide the behavior for the nil case, but
I think it should be consistent.  Personally, I see
no reason that point on the first file-name char
would act differently from point on the second.  And
by the logic of non-inclusive I'd think that an empty
region _after_ the file name wouldn't mark the line
(no part of the file name is in the region).

For the non-nil case, I think it's important that the
line get marked even when point is at bol.

Why?  Consistency.  And it's easy to hit `C-SPC'
without realizing that you've done so - there's no
good visual signal (just the "Mark activated" msg).

In the non-nil case, especially, I really feel that
a user expects the line to be marked, even if the
region is empty (when `use-empty-active-region' is
non-nil).

---

As I said earlier, I really suspect that Emacs may
have lurking bugs because stuff that makes use of
`use-region-p' might not get tested with non-nil
`use-empty-active-region'.  And yet the reason for
creating that option was for the addition of that
function (or vice versa).

[Frankly, I think things were clearer in the code
before `use-region-p' and that option were added.
`region-active-p' was clear; `use-region-p' hides
use of an option, and I suspect that the non-nil
case doesn't get tested much.  When just
`region-active-p' was used, it kinda invited testing
whether the region was empty.]

(FWIW, I don't use non-nil `use-empty-active-region'.
But I imagine some people do.)





  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-22 23:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-04 14:29 bug#39902: 28.0.50; Marking in dired with active region Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-04 15:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-03-04 16:04   ` Stephen Berman
2020-03-04 21:07     ` Drew Adams
2020-03-04 23:46 ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-05  1:11   ` Drew Adams
2020-03-05 13:58   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-05 23:42     ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-06  2:30       ` Drew Adams
2020-03-07  0:07       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-08  0:38         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-08 14:00           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-08 17:04             ` Drew Adams
2020-03-08 23:56               ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-09  0:37                 ` Drew Adams
2020-03-09 14:53                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-09 22:28                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-10  0:41                     ` Drew Adams
2020-03-10 23:24                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-10 23:49                         ` Stephen Berman
2020-03-10 23:56                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-11  0:24                         ` Drew Adams
2020-03-10 23:55                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-11  0:08                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-11  0:18                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-11  0:29                           ` Drew Adams
2020-03-11  1:21                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-12  0:43                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-12  1:13                               ` Drew Adams
2020-03-13  0:39                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-13  8:31                                   ` Pieter van Oostrum
2020-03-13 22:30                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-14 18:03                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-03-14 17:56                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-03-14 23:45                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-15  2:46                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-15 20:52                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-03-15 20:50                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-03-15 23:41                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-16  1:46                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-03-17  0:51                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-18 23:51                                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-19 23:54                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-22  2:48                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-22 23:33                                                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-03-23  0:43                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-23 15:09                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-03-24 21:58                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-24 22:14                                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-03-23  0:35                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-23 15:20                                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-03-24 21:58                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-03-24 22:13                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-03-16 15:21                             ` Drew Adams
2020-03-09 14:52                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-09 14:50               ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-09 15:22                 ` Drew Adams
2020-03-10 16:04                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-10 16:33                     ` Drew Adams
2020-03-09  9:04         ` martin rudalics
2020-03-09 15:02           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-09 15:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-03-10 16:08               ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-03-09 17:12             ` martin rudalics
2020-03-10 15:52               ` Michael Heerdegen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-08  8:26 Making Emacs popular again with a video Nathan Colinet
2020-05-10 20:57 ` Nathan Colinet
2020-05-12  3:12   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-12 12:57     ` GNU Emacs raison d'etre excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-13 16:18       ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-13 19:39         ` Andreas Röhler
2020-05-13 20:05           ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-13 20:52             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-13 22:04               ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-13 22:55                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-14  4:56                   ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-17  1:28                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-17  1:59                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-18  3:43                         ` transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-18  6:58                           ` transient Joost Kremers
2020-05-18 18:41                             ` transient Howard Melman
2020-05-19  5:38                               ` transient Drew Adams
2020-05-19 14:00                                 ` transient Arthur Miller
2020-05-20  3:14                                   ` transient Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]                                     ` <87tuztngxr.fsf@mail.linkov.net>
2020-06-03  4:32                                       ` bug#39902: transient Michael Heerdegen
2020-06-03 22:49                                         ` bug#39902: 28.0.50; Marking in dired with active region Juri Linkov
2020-06-04 12:31                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-06-04 22:18                                             ` Juri Linkov

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