From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans BKK Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398259528 14399 80.91.229.3 (23 Apr 2014 13:25:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:25:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 23 15:25:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WcxAx-0007Vo-Cf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:25:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32809 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WcxAw-0006il-TF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:25:22 -0400 X-Received: by 10.236.93.38 with SMTP id k26mr22615330yhf.20.1398259216947; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.96.133 with SMTP id ds5mr136476obb.16.1398259216748; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!cm18no5610881qab.0!news-out.google.com!gi6ni598igc.0!nntp.google.com!l13no10030012iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2602:306:334f:a5e0:81db:f077:ec84:39f6; posting-account=IUdGewoAAACF9WtA3i8stuVyXNk2FqaH Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2602:306:334f:a5e0:81db:f077:ec84:39f6 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:20:16 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205061 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97327 Archived-At: I'm looking feedback on these from those (perhaps few?) that have actually = become somewhat familiar with both. Since EmacsWiki has so much information= on Icicles (thanks Drew!) there isn't any need to give an overview/run-thr= ough on that package, but I haven't seen so much on Helm, just a lot of sid= e-mentions on how fantastic it is from people whose opinion would seem to c= arry a lot of weight. For example, does Helm actually help you learn how to use regexp? Has anyone tried running both together? or is the overlap so great they int= erfere with each other as with icicles and ido? My current context is facilitating exploring the "self-documentation" aspec= t of emacs, searching/browsing/jumping between info docs and other sources = of help docs and the relevant source code. I also plan to use emacs straight off for org-mode, shell usage and files m= anagement. Actual coding myself will come later, but is of course very rele= vant. Mostly web dev to start, but I want to get to know Python to start wi= th and then Haskell, and plan to use pandoc to convert language/framework-s= pecific docs to gnu info wherever possible, and to try to make my own code = self-documenting as with elisp. Does Helm have any support for creating info "books" as does icicles? Drew, do you happen to know if your "Help Plus" libs are compatible/helpful= with Helm's approach? It's also possible I'll be learning emacs editing in evil mode, except in m= odes where there are still conflicts (apparently few these days), so feedba= ck on that aspect is also welcome, apparently Helm's fine there. I've stuck with del.icio.us since beta, over 20K bookmarks there, so Helm's= support there as a platform for creating a DAG tree from that (self-docume= nting brain activity) is a tempting little project: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/helm-delicious.el