From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4befe332-60bb-4e0d-81ba-3cdb1041e8ec@default> References: <<<57278BA0.6010604@h-rommerskirchen.de> <4xr3dj7yrk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9638d58e-0c5c-a587-c3a6-272254597b88@yandex.ru> <85ff912d-1457-487d-80b2-412389876172@default> <812a118d-331e-4f09-aeda-483ee71b1127@default>> <<838tzpkgtj.fsf@gnu.org>> > <<83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462379627 10216 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 16:33:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 18:33:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjx-0003DL-0S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjt-0003XF-8n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39538) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzji-0003G1-92 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:33:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjV-0004Ua-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:33:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjV-0004Tp-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjS-0001AW-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.14623795764481 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 16:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:32:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjL-0001AD-Rp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzjJ-00019z-Ok for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:32:54 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u44GWl6j025584 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 16:32:47 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44GWlaL020733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 May 2016 16:32:47 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u44GWkum002202; Wed, 4 May 2016 16:32:47 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117768 Archived-At: > Maintaining too many alternative UIs is a maintenance burden we cannot > afford. Even if you left the existing `A' and `Q' code dormant, there would likely be little noticeable problem. At least for a few years, while letting users experiment with the new. Seriously, how much change has been needed recently for the existing `A' and `Q' code? Code which you are anyway not removing immediately. The question I raised is only about the key bindings. > > I don't claim ill will - never have. >=20 > May I suggest that you ask someone impartial to read all your posts, > and provide feedback? You might be surprised to learn how your > messages read. Ditto. Can you show where I claimed ill will on anyone's part in making this change? I'm sure the intentions were good ones. That doesn't mean that the result is the best of all worlds. As I said earlier, if the key bindings had not been taken over, I would likely have said nothing at all about this new feature. Except possibly (once I've played with it) "thank you" for it. It's a minor complaint: Please leave the existing key bindings. > > What's the imperative behind this key-binding replacement? > > Why not just offer the new feature as a plus, not a > > plus-and-minus? >=20 > See above. The maintenance burden of the existing `A' and `Q' code? You're not removing it immediately anyway. Why the need to take over those keys immediately?