From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: TRS-80 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Use Emacs as the IDE for Wolfram Mathematica. Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4b3da35b486e41256b91cab5dde0d359@isnotmyreal.name> References: <87a6om1022.fsf@zoho.eu> <871r9x25l8.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3329"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 18:07:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lqHn9-0000hO-8z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:07:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41290 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqHn7-0001H9-Lf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:07:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqHm0-0001DI-SQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from server173-1.web-hosting.com ([68.65.122.207]:57337) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqHlx-0002cn-UP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:06:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isnotmyreal.name; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date:MIME-Version:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=E/N1pRZC2abT0PSENgZAG0HGHfLKgvFTPPIDg4xD/hY=; b=Tk89mp3657YQZs/nv/Bj/+6twf NqiCv0+SD5/01dPtgySFHjC4/9hvb1MAzjE84NuRRO48W4XzSzexuUCq3mBJkxKbV82gIwc8I3g8t 5oGz94WlsZbv8rR/PTg83OhJlqzCaJK7tJagnxqs+8KulCoyWIELd6Ar2y3UFHIyTXhI7t6e5hMB1 dG62QGgpf1OPNkIhu/RChc3UJMNjFjwqzwCLDaoemGyd5cE6XU6CEAKMX47FVALed4kzH3xOkhsgz wLkJyyqov6nRQOlDVZDsRbRGQLA33wviAGggqk19zvtqzwbE3YDCiafdMadOS5wsoIYoq2iw/sUFv 2TmwmYYg==; Original-Received: from [::1] (port=45400 helo=server173.web-hosting.com) by server173.web-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1lqHlm-001NvP-A3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:06:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server173.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - isnotmyreal.name X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server173.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-Authenticated-Sender: server173.web-hosting.com: lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Received-SPF: pass client-ip=68.65.122.207; envelope-from=lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name; helo=server173-1.web-hosting.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130601 Archived-At: On 2021-05-23 09:23, Christopher Dimech wrote: >> * Christopher Dimech [2021-05-23 15:58]: >> >> > Rather one should realise that the way forward is in not using >> > Wolfram Mathematica in the first place. >> >> [...] > Legally, there are no problems for Emacs to be used as an IDE to > proprietary languages. But their decision to make and use > proprietary software is a decision to stay out of our community. > Being in our community means joining in cooperation with us; we > cannot “bring them into our community” if they don't want to join. > > Proprietary software does not contribute to our community, but its > users and developers often want handouts from us. Hear, hear! No aid and comfort for the enemy (the "enemy" being proprietary software). But you put it more nicely than me. :) Personally I think there is far too much attention / mind share paid towards proprietary software. Maybe not on this list, nor within the GNU Project itself (the last bastion), but in general in F/LOSS (well especially in more "Open Source"[0] circles). Why give them free advertising (in addition to the millions $$ some of them have available to them, and other resources)? Cheers, TRS-80 [0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html