From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving packages out of core to ELPA Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:13:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4a1c9bc6-7287-481e-816d-cc1bbb3aa014@gutov.dev> References: <87h6i6y2ch.fsf@yahoo.com> <86msrys0qj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0h9x6og.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4743"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cc: Eli Zaretskii , JD Smith , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 18 14:13:49 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgzM-00013P-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgyu-0002Zu-7v; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgys-0002Xl-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:18 -0500 Original-Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbgyq-0007BB-Cy; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:17 -0500 Original-Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645655C004B; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:15 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gutov.dev; h=cc :cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1708261995; x=1708348395; bh=P54bcXaQuvNybaiPMSMx0+QbJa9JsyZBCl8B4+/gdm8=; b= UxwX4+Rh2SzNJfRq1MCauSSlTCRyk1ydxjmWWIu1uF9K3e0md1URcFtkCG1waUkP joMsbN4mAW9EF13kVidQ/y/S/jMcd/0iSxKXW/ilsoFgMHLT5VmWM8WpmeAfAFlP 9s6QmzMRVUzpq+x8ybWbkXqgg/YLk+faa1+fcSMc8+y4L2XEr68QnohwtR5Xe2Ji YNb4YEJleEpB3SI47td/qkxhqUbhX3gQcCNU3zXhcxW9cCHOBZKSc5Rx8avhU9aq AFlagHpe//E/rujSiZwnydU3s97QhQTFb59lRZaJKYDmnHOiVVYwC/vqfwbE1fIX pP+xbga0ii+xIz/imiLKwg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1708261995; x= 1708348395; bh=P54bcXaQuvNybaiPMSMx0+QbJa9JsyZBCl8B4+/gdm8=; b=E oKUgM3ePEwuhZEiARsdacserJUxP141N+CHFx80eNjd0ag5hwizCWsZOV0KdsBsx AjnqQ7MGaMKr4x+cRbVRPx06hrD2U7xI1jQcqy4dF2YVpcSImvv1hGJZmRLhAD6F Cm9lG5tp3tX7mI7TL1FhaP0PfdAeyr4f9o+xJfGua9lPV8D+mDJWnmnWXWK/SkJI 9Mnp6kQaf/qCTcsewVf4+pAe2IxUcxkjTatNv7k2lFjdjmZr/23pff3g3U2uYTX0 E4Rx5hLuvuYfOfmXWredoqwgDVkRdpg3CxCGgIEXvMqT9vtQ29ZC6ggS/DGeQKDS K5x4uql8LE/IJQ2dqpeog== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrvdeigdehtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefkffggfgfuvfevfhfhjggtgfesthejredttddvjeenucfhrhhomhepffhmihht rhihucfiuhhtohhvuceoughmihhtrhihsehguhhtohhvrdguvghvqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeetudeljeegheetgfehgeejkeeuhedvveeikeeufedtvddtveefhfdvveegudej heenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegumh hithhrhiesghhuthhovhdruggvvh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i0e71465a:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:13:14 -0500 (EST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87r0h9x6og.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.27; envelope-from=dmitry@gutov.dev; helo=out3-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316309 Archived-At: On 18/02/2024 15:06, Po Lu wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> Those who say that the costs of maintenance is tiny, seem to have > .... >> missed the simple statement that the built-in version has diverged >> from its upstream 7 years ago. The maintenance is clearly not being > ... >> done. > We stand corrected. The cost is_zero_, not tiny. We seem to have a different understanding of the word "cost".