From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kelly Dean Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#19068: Mail file vars aren't derived from customized message-directory Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:59:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4HEgHd24tKVHJkFYvKryLuxc8K21mIEO6gzZl9psynt@local> References: <871tme3sbm.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422529254 11748 80.91.229.3 (29 Jan 2015 11:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 29 12:00:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YGmq4-0003Xs-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:00:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58924 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGmq3-0006jg-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:00:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGmpc-0006gp-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:00:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGmpY-0008Om-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:00:15 -0500 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::198]:44742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YGmpX-0008Od-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:00:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mfilter19-d.gandi.net (mfilter19-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.147]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF55DFB8F2; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:00:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter19-d.gandi.net Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter19-d.gandi.net (mfilter19-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x8TV64PyLUcR; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:00:09 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 66.220.3.179 Original-Received: from localhost (gm179.geneticmail.com [66.220.3.179]) (Authenticated sender: kelly@prtime.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CEEEFB8EF; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:00:05 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <871tme3sbm.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4b98:c:538::198 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181971 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > That's the wrong way to set variables that have other variables that > depend on them. > > Instead say > > (setq message-directory "~/mail/") > (require 'message) And what if you happened to previously require something that already req= uired message? Do you want to require users to always put all their =C2=AB= setq=C2=BBs before all their =C2=ABrequire=C2=BBs, just in case? Or what if you were already using message mode with the default directory= settings, but then you decided to change it and customize message-direct= ory using Emacs's customization feature, and read the help page that says= =E2=8C=9CDirectory from which all other mail file variables are derived=E2= =8C=9D? Would you not expect that when you change a top-level directory, = the directories under it remain under it? After all, that's the way =C2=AB= mv=C2=BB behaves.