From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Selection changes in revno 100822 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:55:00 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF4CA33F2FC4A19852FF85752F6282F@us.oracle.com> References: <834oeyv3ww.fsf@gnu.org> <87mxsqyp98.fsf@stupidchicken.com><83zkwptyij.fsf@gnu.org> <4C66660D.3090603@swipnet.se><83sk2htp82.fsf@gnu.org> <4C66A8C5.4040203@harpegolden.net><83hbixte8c.fsf@gnu.org> <87wrrs276x.fsf@stupidchicken.com><8339ugu7vt.fsf@gnu.org> <87lj881xzf.fsf@catnip.gol.com><871va0rmzp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp><4C682389.8030807@harpegolden.net> <83vd7bsqn6.fsf@gnu.org><4C6844FF.80602@harpegolden.net> <83pqxjsk6m.fsf@gnu.org><4C6850C3.2030508@harpegolden.net> <83ocd3shp1.fsf@gnu.org> <4C685F60.5080005@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281913021 21943 80.91.229.12 (15 Aug 2010 22:57:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: "'David De La Harpe Golden'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 16 00:57:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Okm8R-0003Sz-NO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:57:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34389 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Okm8R-00075p-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46522 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Okm8L-00074C-IM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:56:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Okm8K-0003gf-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:56:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:35020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Okm8I-0003gP-Uc; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:56:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o7FMulew029592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:56:49 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o7FMOJu2008659; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:56:47 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 518559171281912903; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:55:03 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.221.253) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:55:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4C685F60.5080005@harpegolden.net> Thread-Index: Acs8wtqosmtTQr38RxacFty+5md8EAABJSsA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128764 Archived-At: > "I am a fish" select it then M-w copy in emacs > "hello there" select it then C-c copy in notepad > mouse-2 in emacs => > "hello there" inserted in emacs > (inserting the current w32 clipboard) > C-y in emacs => > "I am a fish" inserted in emacs > (not inserting the current w32 clipboard but rather the > head of emacs kill ring. I would have expected the > current w32 clipboard, as an x11 user). > C-v in notepad => > "hello there" inserted in notepad > (inserting the current w32 clipboard) > > "I am a duck" select it in emacs > "goodbye then" C-c copy in notepad > mouse-2 in emacs => > "goodbye then" inserted in emacs > (inserting the current w32 clipboard) > mouse-2 in emacs => > "I am a duck" inserted in emacs > (inserting the emacs emulated primary selection) > C-v in notepad => > "goodbye then" inserted in notepad > (inserting the current w32 clipboard) Thank you, David. That is precisely the kind of example that makes clear the behavior, whether problematic and unintentional as (presumably) in this case or intended as part of the proposed changes. The parenthetical references to "primary" and "clipboard" are just that: parenthetical, accessory. The behavior is 100% understandable to an Emacs user without those references (even if the refs might help some people who are familiar with the terms to understand better). Let's please see more such operational description. Tell us what the proposed changes (all of them) mean in just such user-behavior terms, please.