From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thad Floryan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: a key system to replace gnu emacs's 1000 default keybindings Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 16:30:04 -0700 Organization: ThadLABS Message-ID: <4FC1677C.2090205@thadlabs.com> References: <5ee2582c-026b-4ab3-b5a7-c2d3e66ff511@oe8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <4d8a8454-22d9-44a3-9f57-7d5791534d30@t2g2000pbl.googlegroups.com> <4FC00690.9090200@thadlabs.com> <7db350db-3809-4ba1-97cd-c4b97357cd4c@pr7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1338075018 3661 80.91.229.3 (26 May 2012 23:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 23:30:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 27 01:30:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SYQR2-0006fG-Pr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 May 2012 01:30:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37895 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYQR2-0007RB-9K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 19:30:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 49 Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="Ffcll78vPb9FFcAvz2XZlA"; logging-data="4804"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19jA3uEnrDtpaDOt2K9mpFwSWpJUSXEPZ0=" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) In-Reply-To: <7db350db-3809-4ba1-97cd-c4b97357cd4c@pr7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:gtAEfPGALPNPhw8E366bXPkGaD8= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192599 comp.emacs:102486 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85005 Archived-At: On 5/26/2012 9:45 AM, Xah Lee wrote: > On May 26, 8:57 am, Dan Espen wrote: >> Perhaps you should read more carefully. >> >> Thad remapped Caps Lock to ANOTHER Ctrl. >> He didn't SWAP anything. > > that doesn't matter. Those who use capslock for Ctrl basically only > use that single key for Ctrl. And? Given how ubiquitous a control key is within Emacs, it should be easy to type, not requiring one to bend one's finger down to where a [Ctrl] key is located beneath the left shift key on PC keyboards. When I started using computers in the early 1960s, we had to use cards. Circa 1965 I was using a TTY33ASR and it's control key was to the left of [A]. Several editors I was using back then (10 years before Emacs existed) used the control key extensively to that the editor was truly a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get). My next keyboard/terminal was a Datapoint 3300 which was essentially a "glass teletype" with the exact same keyboard layout at the TTY33ASR with the [Ctrl] to the left of [A]. That Datapoint 3300 was followed by a Datamedia DT80 (a VT100 clone) whose [Ctrl] was also to the left of [A]. All the AT&T and Sun computers I owned and used since then have had the [Ctrl] to the left of [A] and all keyboards since then I've mapped the [Caps Lock] to be another control key. I've been using Emacs since 1975 (getting my first copy from the Pentagon, a customer of mine at the time) and subsequent copies from MIT and RMS including this copy of the Emacs manual that RMS handed me which is the oldest one I found in my archives and I scanned years ago: I don't know what (apparent) misshapen hand you have, but having the [Ctrl] to the left of [A] is comfortable and "natural" to me since control characters are ubiquitous within Emacs and Bash. > [...] > if you consider Capslock key useless, you can given it another > function. Precisely. Making the [Caps Lock] another [Ctrl] makes perfect sense for anyone using Emacs and/or Bash.