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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' <larsi@gnus.org>,
	8368@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:40:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F9E5E08.4030400@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2F5D2C7A2A6D44A3B25C5891EFEF7DF0@us.oracle.com>

 >> You don't have to remove and re-add any hooks.  It's
 >> sufficient to turn off help mode in the body of
 >> `with-output-to-temp-buffer'.  Similarly,
 >> if you don't want to run `completion-list-mode-finish', turn off
 >> `completion-list-mode' in the buffer.
 >
 > Sufficient?  That sounds like more work, not less.  Why turn help mode etc. on
 > automatically and then turn it off again.  Why not just remove the hook so it
 > does not get turned on?

Because it's non-trivial to "just" do that.  We have to go through all
users of `with-output-to-temp-buffer' and check whether they want to
turn on help mode or not.  I don't have the slightest idea whether, for
example, the calls in ada-xref.el require activating help mode or not.

 > I'm probably missing something in what you're
 > suggesting.

No.  But you earlier said that

 > While waiting for that, users have to do something like this, just to get rid of
 > the *Help*-imposed stuff:
 >
 > (defmacro with-output-to-plain-temp-buffer (buf &rest body)
 >   "Like `with-output-to-temp-buffer', but with no *Help* navigation stuff."
 >   `(unwind-protect
 >     (progn
 >       (remove-hook 'temp-buffer-setup-hook 'help-mode-setup)
 >       (remove-hook 'temp-buffer-show-hook  'help-mode-finish)
 >       (with-output-to-temp-buffer ,buf ,@body))
 >     (add-hook 'temp-buffer-setup-hook 'help-mode-setup)
 >     (add-hook 'temp-buffer-show-hook  'help-mode-finish)))

and I simply explained that there's an easier way to achieve what you
want.  Obviously, dealing with `temp-buffer-show-hook' in
`with-output-to-plain-temp-buffer' isn't necessary either if you don't
run `help-mode-setup' before.

martin





  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-30  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-28 16:24 bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document Drew Adams
2011-07-14 19:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11  3:45   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11  4:58     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-11  5:00       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-04-28  0:15       ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28  8:25         ` martin rudalics
2012-04-28 14:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-04-29 10:40             ` martin rudalics
2012-04-29 15:28               ` Drew Adams
2012-04-30  9:40                 ` martin rudalics [this message]
2012-04-30 14:28                   ` Drew Adams
2012-05-01  8:08                     ` martin rudalics
2012-05-01 13:09                       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-02  9:40                         ` martin rudalics
2012-05-02 14:19                           ` Drew Adams
2012-04-28 15:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-28 10:28             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-11 20:34               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 18:41     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-11 18:48       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 19:24         ` Drew Adams
2011-09-12  2:46         ` Richard Stallman

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