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From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:44:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F96AE2F.8090405@mousecar.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <j5sjftbbwd.fsf@news.eternal-september.org>



On 04/24/2012 07:35 AM Richard Riley wrote:
> rusi<rustompmody@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> I'll try and restate what Xah is saying in less Xah-ish language.
>>
>> Emacs comes from a time when anyone who used a computer knew (about)
>> programming.
>> Today everyone uses a computer; so the programmers are the freaks.
>>
>> The scratch buffer is meaningful/useful/beautiful for those who can
>> understand what it signifies that they can (re)program their editor.
>>
>> It is a stupid and meaningless irritation to those not so endowed.
>>
>
> Even speaking as a programmer I have to agree. I am surprised anyone
> disagrees. Anyone clued in enough to emacs to know what *Scratch* is for
> can create their own easily enough from their .emacs.

I still recall from decades ago my first experiences with emacs.  Yes, 
the *scratch* buffer was in those first few months a bit of a mystery, 
but certainly in no way "a stupid and meaningless irritation".

What's much more of an irritation is this continual urge to dumb down 
software or make it more like an MS product-- oftentimes one and the 
same goal.  This more often than not leads to the elimination of 
features and functionality which seasoned users (and, No, not in every 
case programmers) are accustomed to.  If a person is irritated by the 
extra features and functionality, she has plenty of options to deal with 
them: learn how to turn them off, learn how to use them, learn how to 
deal with the fact that she doesn't understand everything in the 
software within the first week of using it, or switch to some other 
software which is less challenging and so less "irritating".

One option that newbies don't get-- and I'm speaking especially to those 
with an inflated sense of their own wisdom and opinions-- is to decide 
for everyone what features and functionality the software should and 
shouldn't have... and even less to then expect expect everyone else to 
make the efforts to adjust to their naive views and ridiculously low 
irritation thresholds.




  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-24 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-18 12:00 Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Xah Lee
2012-04-18 12:31 ` Joe Corneli
2012-04-18 16:57 ` Steinar Bang
2012-04-18 17:33   ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-04-18 18:15     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-18 18:16       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-19 21:08     ` Steinar Bang
     [not found]   ` <mailman.169.1334770417.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-18 21:11     ` Chiron
2012-04-18 23:56       ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-04-19 10:34         ` Tassilo Horn
2012-04-18 17:01 ` Mark Skilbeck
2012-04-18 19:33 ` Aaron Meurer
2012-04-18 20:22   ` Deniz Dogan
2012-04-19  5:55     ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-04-19  5:58   ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-04-19 20:47 ` Bug Dout
2012-04-19 21:11   ` Chiron
2012-04-19 22:41     ` Ludwig, Mark
     [not found]     ` <mailman.260.1334875302.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-20  3:27       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-20  3:53         ` Aaron Meurer
2012-04-20 11:08     ` Fritz Wuehler
2012-04-20 11:48     ` Richard Riley
     [not found]     ` <mailman.304.1334922534.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21  3:53       ` Chiron
2012-04-21  8:16         ` Joost Kremers
2012-04-21 12:43           ` Chiron
2012-04-21 12:47             ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 14:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.373.1335012467.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:42               ` Chiron
2012-04-21 14:49                 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.381.1335019797.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 15:04                   ` Chiron
     [not found]             ` <mailman.379.1335017454.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:46               ` Chiron
2012-04-21 15:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-21 16:15                 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 16:58                   ` Chiron
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.389.1335022448.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 16:32                   ` Chiron
2012-04-21 16:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.396.1335027140.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 17:09                       ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:36                     ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 23:01                     ` Bastien
2012-04-23 11:52             ` Joost Kremers
2012-04-24  7:40               ` rusi
2012-04-24 11:35                 ` Richard Riley
2012-04-24 13:44                   ` ken [this message]
2012-04-25 10:39                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-25 12:41                       ` ken
2012-04-25 21:51                       ` Jambunathan K
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.42.1335390728.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-26 17:25                         ` rusi
2012-04-26 17:48                           ` Bastien
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.619.1335350542.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-26 19:08                       ` Xah Lee
2012-04-24 14:33                 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-24 18:40                   ` PJ Weisberg
2012-04-21  8:36         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-21  9:48           ` Joe Corneli
     [not found]         ` <mailman.362.1334997514.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 12:35           ` Chiron
2012-04-21 13:31             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-21 15:01               ` Chiron
2012-04-21 14:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.378.1335017298.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:52               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-21 15:15                 ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 16:03                   ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 14:59               ` Chiron
2012-04-21 15:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.390.1335022565.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 16:47                   ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:07             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]             ` <mailman.398.1335028190.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 17:14               ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:47                 ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.401.1335030473.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 18:03                   ` Chiron
2012-04-21 21:34             ` Jason Earl
2012-04-21 14:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21 15:03           ` Chiron
2012-04-20 11:31 ` Martin
2012-04-21  3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21  3:25   ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 14:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21 16:08       ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 16:50         ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:30           ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 22:13             ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-04-22 10:00           ` Petter Gustad
2012-04-22 10:27             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-12 19:25             ` Nikolai Alekseev
2012-06-12 19:24         ` Nikolai Alekseev

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