From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs 24 randomly hanging Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4F47DA53.7050904@gmx.at> References: <878vjzz920.fsf@earth.home> <87sji4mpwn.fsf@this.that> <4F43CC35.60407@gmx.at> <8762f0qbam.fsf@this.that> <4F44A6A2.8040701@gmx.at> <4F44B84B.5020203@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1330109031 18558 80.91.229.3 (24 Feb 2012 18:43:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 24 19:43:50 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S107R-0002Uo-F6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:43:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55662 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S107Q-0007Np-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:43:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49715) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S107J-0007Kq-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:43:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S107I-0003Op-Mn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:43:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:33523) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S107I-0003Og-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:43:40 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Feb 2012 18:43:39 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-54-173.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.54.173]) [62.47.54.173] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 24 Feb 2012 19:43:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bFxU4Nl6bl+OfdaFyrntX80i9KLbMDkvvvspN99 wYjGxBMovPupp4 In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 213.165.64.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148766 Archived-At: > I don't know why it has a V, but I suspect it's because Vbuffer_alist > also has a "V". As for why it's not available to Lisp, it's > specifically because the above mentioned invariant needs to be preserved > and the C code might break otherwise. Actually, now that I think about > it I have a vague recollection that Vbuffer_alist was exported to Lisp > at some point in the past, and that it later was hidden so as to prevent > Lisp code from breaking the invariant. So if my memory isn't screwing > with me, that would explain Vbuffer_alist's "V". It seems that Vwindow_list has a similar (pre-)history. Most of this must have happened before change logs were invented. martin