From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated]
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:27:22 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F1B821A.5040100@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2ty3pjk0d.fsf@igel.home>
On 21/01/12 12:52, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii<eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:12:38 +0000
>>> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, ulm@gentoo.org, drew.adams@oracle.com,
>>> emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>> From: Alan Mackenzie<acm@muc.de>
>>>
>>> I have an ordinary Linux tty, currently running a Latin-1 character set.
>>
>> Is it possible to run it with the UTF-8 character set? AFAIU, this
>> will solve all your problems, while still being compatible with Latin-1.
>
> A console font cannot contain more than 512 characters.
>
> Andreas.
To expand a little, as, while that's true, that doesn't mean there's
no way to do it on an X-less system:
True text-mode (i.e. PC VGA gfx card) linux kernel VTs inherit that
hardware limitation (256 glyphs with 16 colors or 512 glyphs with 8
colors) [1] that the kernel can do relatively little about. You can work
in unicode (see console-tools docs) ...but you can only set up a font
showing a small subset of glyphs at a time. The kernel VTs when on a
framebuffer have some fairly similar limits IIRC, despite there not
being a hardware reason in that case (lack of demand, compat, shared
code, and keeping things simple spring to mind as possible non-hardware
reasons, of course).
... However, there is nowadays a way around the limitation (presumably
further reducing demand for any more advanced kernel support):
Use the userspace “fbterm” [2][3] terminal emulator instead of the linux
kernel's more limited built-in. It is essentially a unicode-capable
terminal emulator like those commonplace on X11 - but one that targets
the framebuffer (and also now vesa modesetting, like (or perhaps using)
old libsvga) rather than X11.
Though I currently use X11, so have little reason to use fbterm
normally, I've just fairly successfully viewed the Hello file (and some
curly quotes) in an emacs running under
“fbterm -n "DejaVu Sans Mono" -s 32 --vesa-mode=374“
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_compatible_text_mode#Fonts
[2] http://code.google.com/p/fbterm/
[3] http://packages.debian.org/sid/fbterm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-22 3:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-18 15:12 TUTORIAL.de updated Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 9:09 ` Martin
2012-01-19 9:37 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 13:02 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 14:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 16:24 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 5:00 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-20 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 15:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 16:20 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 16:41 ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Glenn Morris
2012-01-19 17:22 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-19 23:08 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 3:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-20 6:23 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 7:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-20 8:45 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 8:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 10:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 11:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 12:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-22 3:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2012-01-22 3:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2012-01-22 6:30 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22 8:00 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 10:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-22 13:06 ` James Cloos
2012-01-21 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22 6:30 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22 8:18 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 9:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 10:24 ` Teemu Likonen
2012-01-22 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22 10:54 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 11:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-22 20:35 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 15:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 16:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-23 7:04 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 12:13 ` quotation marks Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-20 12:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-20 18:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 12:01 ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] James Cloos
2012-01-22 15:03 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-20 22:34 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 1:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21 1:26 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 6:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21 8:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-21 18:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21 19:58 ` Tom Tromey
2012-01-21 17:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21 17:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-19 18:14 ` TUTORIAL.de updated Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 18:50 ` quotation marks (was: Re: TUTORIAL.de updated) Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 21:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
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