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From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated]
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:27:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F1B821A.5040100@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2ty3pjk0d.fsf@igel.home>

On 21/01/12 12:52, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii<eliz@gnu.org>  writes:
>
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:12:38 +0000
>>> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, ulm@gentoo.org, drew.adams@oracle.com,
>>>    emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>> From: Alan Mackenzie<acm@muc.de>
>>>
>>> I have an ordinary Linux tty, currently running a Latin-1 character set.
>>
>> Is it possible to run it with the UTF-8 character set?  AFAIU, this
>> will solve all your problems, while still being compatible with Latin-1.
>
> A console font cannot contain more than 512 characters.
>
> Andreas.

To expand a little, as, while that's true, that doesn't mean there's
no way to do it on an X-less system:

True text-mode (i.e. PC VGA gfx card) linux kernel VTs inherit that 
hardware limitation (256 glyphs with 16 colors or 512 glyphs with 8 
colors) [1] that the kernel can do relatively little about. You can work 
in unicode (see console-tools docs) ...but you can only set up a font 
showing a small subset of glyphs at a time.  The kernel VTs when on a 
framebuffer have some fairly similar limits IIRC, despite there not 
being a hardware reason in that case (lack of demand, compat, shared 
code, and keeping things simple spring to mind as possible non-hardware 
reasons, of course).

... However, there is nowadays a way around the limitation (presumably 
further reducing demand for any more advanced kernel support):

Use the userspace “fbterm” [2][3] terminal emulator instead of the linux 
kernel's more limited built-in. It is essentially a unicode-capable 
terminal emulator like those commonplace on X11 - but one that targets 
the framebuffer (and also now vesa modesetting, like (or perhaps using) 
old libsvga) rather than X11.

Though I currently use X11, so have little reason to use fbterm 
normally, I've just fairly successfully viewed the Hello file (and some 
curly quotes) in an emacs running under

“fbterm -n "DejaVu Sans Mono" -s 32 --vesa-mode=374“


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_compatible_text_mode#Fonts
[2] http://code.google.com/p/fbterm/
[3] http://packages.debian.org/sid/fbterm



  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-22  3:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-18 15:12 TUTORIAL.de updated Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19  9:09 ` Martin
2012-01-19  9:37   ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 12:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 13:02       ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 14:55         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 16:24           ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 17:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20  5:00           ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-20  6:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 15:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 16:20   ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 16:41   ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Glenn Morris
2012-01-19 17:22     ` Drew Adams
2012-01-19 23:08       ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20  3:02         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-20  6:23           ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20  6:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20  7:49         ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-20  8:45           ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20  9:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 22:17               ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21  8:59                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 10:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 11:12                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 11:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 12:52                         ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-22  3:27                           ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2012-01-22  3:32                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2012-01-22  6:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22  8:00                   ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 10:22                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-22 13:06                       ` James Cloos
2012-01-21  9:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22  6:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22  8:18                     ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22  9:36                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 10:24                         ` Teemu Likonen
2012-01-22 10:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22 10:54                         ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 11:56                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-22 20:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 15:35                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 16:33                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-23  7:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 12:13             ` quotation marks Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-20 12:44               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 15:51                 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-20 18:40                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 12:01           ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] James Cloos
2012-01-22 15:03             ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 14:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-20 22:34           ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21  1:13             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21  1:26               ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21  6:10                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21  8:37                   ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-21 18:13                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21 19:58                       ` Tom Tromey
2012-01-21 17:17                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21 17:19                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-19 18:14   ` TUTORIAL.de updated Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 18:50     ` quotation marks (was: Re: TUTORIAL.de updated) Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 21:45       ` Eli Zaretskii

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