From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:17:32 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4F19E7FC.40301@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> <4F1929BA.7020004@cs.ucla.edu> <838vl24thl.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327097870 5531 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2012 22:17:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, ulm@gentoo.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 23:17:45 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RoMmF-0000d1-Ln for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:17:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42770 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoMmF-0003pJ-0H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:17:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoMmB-0003p3-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:17:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoMmA-0005ce-53 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:17:39 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:55244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoMm8-0005bH-6W; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:17:36 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D5EA60006; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jufJEACBIkTU; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:17:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-189-109-235.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.109.235]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3E33A60001; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:17:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: <838vl24thl.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147793 Archived-At: On 01/20/2012 01:24 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-08/msg00445.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-08/msg00447.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-08/msg00451.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-08/msg00518.html Those messages are about using ASCII-only email, or having Emacs not unexpectedly insert Unicode characters into an ASCII-only document, or things of that sort, things that are about Emacs users in general. Those are all valid issues, but they don't contradict the basic point that it's becoming less important to cater to ASCII-only development environments. We routinely place more requirements on Emacs developers than on Emacs users, and in particular we assume that Emacs developers can routinely view and otherwise deal with non-ASCII characters when they need to. This is not an assumption we could have made 30 years ago, but it's a safe assumption today.