From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:45:46 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4F1929BA.7020004@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org> <20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327049175 29176 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2012 08:46:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Ulrich Mueller' , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 09:46:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RoA6q-0006QU-9T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:46:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45442 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoA6p-0003SH-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:46:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoA6i-0003RS-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoA6e-0006rT-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:46:00 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:34956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RoA6d-0006r6-Mc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:45:55 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D41A60006; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:45:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gfMa8x00kl6W; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:45:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-189-109-235.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.109.235]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FCA9A60008; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:45:49 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: <20120120074922.GA3095@acm.acm> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147761 Archived-At: On 01/19/12 23:49, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > What about displaying Elisp source code on ASCII-only platforms? This is not a new problem. The Elisp source code in the Emacs trunk currently has many non-ASCII characters. Although most of these are in the modules that deal with international characters, there are many instances in otherwise-ordinary code, for example, the identifier color-cie-=CE=B5 in lisp/color.el, and the message containing the string "the =E2=80=98+=E2=80=99 in this last example" in lisp/org/org-bibtex.el. Despite the above, one can get lots of useful work done in an ASCII-only environment when editing the Emacs source code. This would continue to be true even if Emacs used directed quotes in the source code more oft= en. > Reading your mail across an SSH link with my ISP, I see these quote > marks as an inverted "?". The same in mutt, where I am currently > typing, the same when I load it into Emacs. Yes, that's the default behavior if one is using the C locale. These days, though, it's typically nicer to use a locale like en_US.utf8 when developing Emacs code. This works across an SSH link on a Linux terminal -- I just now tried it, and the above non-ASCII examples worked fine. Although ASCII-only environments still exist, they're becoming less important for Emacs development.