From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:08:26 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4F18A26A.1020402@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20120118.161204.348826368.wl@gnu.org><20248.15413.907023.894588@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <4x1uqv4pbx.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327014520 884 80.91.229.12 (19 Jan 2012 23:08:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Ulrich Mueller' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 00:08:34 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro15t-0001oT-Qu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:08:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55739 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro15t-0002PN-4W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:08:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58151) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro15q-0002PI-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:08:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro15p-0007G0-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:08:30 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:42543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ro15o-0007Fs-Rh; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:08:29 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A1739E800C; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:08:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7J3vBzlQXRxQ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:08:26 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E5B539E8006; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:08:26 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: <056566D61BA5441E860782777E736F44@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147751 Archived-At: On 01/19/12 09:22, Drew Adams wrote: > `...' is an Emacs doc & UI convention, not simply a "coding standard". For user interfaces it would be better if Emacs quoted =93like this=94 or =91like this=92 (i.e., using directed quote marks) in the typical case where these quote marks are supported. Quoting `like this' is no longer appropriate, since modern displays typically don't render ` and ' symmetrically, and it confuses new users when Emacs gives unusual interpretations to ` and '. One way to address this would be to prefer directed quote marks within the Emacs source code; the surrounding technology should recognize these quotes and do the right thing when displaying diagnostics on ASCII-only platforms. Use of ` for Lisp backquotes, shell backquotes, etc., would be undisturbed, of course. The only change would be for when we're quoting something in English text.