From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: OS X: Change default key bindings of CMD and ALT Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 10:40:21 +0900 Message-ID: <4EE5D522-7CDE-4430-AC67-133DD628F843@gmail.com> References: <86r3i39gm8.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451612454 3868 80.91.229.3 (1 Jan 2016 01:40:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 01:40:54 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 01 02:40:44 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aEohu-0002R3-4f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 02:40:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEohs-0008JR-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:40:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEohp-0008JJ-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:40:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEohk-0004O9-Ez for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:40:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::233]:35129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEohk-0004NO-90 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:40:32 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 78so162991993pfw.2 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=GKj/76eDzbohcW8nWsyQulHJa8hf6TN4Pg2QiHI1bLw=; b=iEjdUOHlRlAz4vM/RkdOv3wzr8XjXB1k0ZPRIC8BvfhbUc1g94qvQss5vfn/yjKQQm FP9nWF7dhORbNfObxoGNtgOzbEcvsbUVk+xuAUZ1n4Cc20dOjErgqVywAA56R46ZieqF /hZoD64mTpPYOItrpcrQMuYM0NmhlTksVsPDJtyZptnThWRYYEhJYWsBoe9LSgt1b1rV 76DlXsHkk6sY79Bm3sWNA7FqE//pyk7JCN34819IUm6wswJbyxll4f0ShRnifgdeoU4i ySJmNQ7yqAmIoxEriU1kaWG3Jpy18IVGKmVJDwCMUyIEKfNBxTZv2gca5DjtYMastCYR gqzA== X-Received: by 10.98.64.9 with SMTP id n9mr48294687pfa.87.1451612431085; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:40:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.24.53] (pl561.nas983.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp. [124.154.41.177]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yl1sm104218783pac.35.2015.12.31.17.40.27 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:40:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197287 Archived-At: > On Jan 1, 2016, at 01:02, John Wiegley wrote: > Since there are people in both camps (i.e., people who will configure = Emacs to > the other pattern no matter what we do), it's hard to argue that one = should > necessarily be the default over the other. For all the other Mac applications (except Xquartz) Alt is used to = compose characters that are not by default in the keyboard layout. = That's one of the very strong point of OSX machines by the way. On a = standard JIS keyboard I can type French without having to change the = layout, or English, or Japanese, out of the box. The default for Emacs on Mac should be the OS default so that new users = who are used to that behavior do not have to search for the Emacs way to = use their keyboard the standard way... Jean-Christophe Helary=