Re: Subwindow terminology

[martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>]

 >  >  > Does anyone ever actually think in genealogical terms?  [...]
 >  >  > Does anybody *ever* care about anything except in which of the
 >  >  > visible windows output will appear (and similar static questions
 >  >  > about the current window configuration)?
 >  >
 >  > People interested in manipulating window configurations will have to
 >  > care.
 >
 > They never have cared about genealogy in the past.

My reference is to your "care about anything ..." and not to your "think
in...".

 > I don't see why
 > they need to now; sure, you have the issue that window identity needs
 > to be considered carefully in implementation since variables may refer
 > to them.  Of course they need to be implicitly aware of the tree
 > structure, but that can be deduced from the arrangement of windows in
 > most cases.  The genealogical issues should be managed internally, and
 > AFAICS they can be managed internally.

I never asked people to care about genealogical issues.  Personally, I
think in invariants and never in genealogical terms.  That's why I tend
to avoid terms like "descendant" or "ancestor" in descriptions.

 >  >  > And at the Lisp level, only leaf windows are actually accessible as
 >  >  > far as I know.  Are there any Lisp functions that operate on parent
 >  >  > windows, other than those that create or destroy children?
 >  >
 >  > Plenty.  You can split, delete, and resize them
 >
 > Not up to now.  You could split a leaf window; this creates a sibling,
 > and may involve either creation of a new parent or addition of the
 > sibling as a child of the existing parent.  The function API doesn't
 > know about the parent though.  Similarly, the Lisp API may delete all
 > siblings of a given window, in which case the parent would be deleted
 > and the child become a child of its grandparent.  If you resize a leaf
 > perpendicularly to relation to its siblings, the parent will be
 > implicitly resized.  Parents were simply a device for keeping the tree
 > structure.
 >
 > Are you saying that parent windows are now visible to the Lisp API for
 > operations like split, even though you can't select them for
 > displaying buffers?

Yes.

 > This seems like a bad idea to me.

Why?

 >  > (you can't resize and delete a frame's root window, obviously).
 >
 > Except by resizing or deleting the frame.

Or the minibuffer window.  I don't count these as operations on windows
though.

martin