From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBSw7ZobGVy?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should undefined behavior be encouraged in Emacs? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 22:08:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4E8E0AB4.1050900@online.de> References: <4E89124D.8070405@cs.ucla.edu> <4E895885.5060201@online.de> <87ehyu1qk7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E89794F.8040706@online.de> <87zkheg8xc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874nzlsxwf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317931722 28937 80.91.229.12 (6 Oct 2011 20:08:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 06 22:08:34 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBuF6-00077O-5P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 22:08:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55494 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBuF5-00011L-Bq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:08:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBuF2-000115-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBuF1-0005dj-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]:55527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBuEz-0005d9-J0; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:08:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (brln-4db9f7a8.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.247.168]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKMnS-1RAG4x26GU-001CzE; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 22:08:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 SUSE/3.1.15 Thunderbird/3.1.15 In-Reply-To: <874nzlsxwf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:iinL2dX+8Zd6PrVjhyTMYBeW30ulzfNLS7ZPuEPsD8u GmAgWUTMmU5fUPCNCpvHV6v2Twe1D55jkIEmvfzUU9Mkue4T15 t/mIqdaLNK7XG6O5J8HpjvNVRezrCNLBtgvLnBbNoB8mNLVZoc lNchsS2RKfKmuC0vtdDf1Qk7IwqE6/96OGzEYpMuESKidB4s9z 2bA01aU0bd7o90f3Oz2bMLle1qbI4rJcYAM0DYQMAmn0HwRB92 Nwin9QowB03euZN4EG/qC3HfoXivdN5xpHIGxlCZBCGvVhDlbV OVsmK/mKDor8PuToaLRYjQkzaLqKjVwOUCkQLYd/MmAZI4jcaH F+RysJlVVc6YZCM3nxJHZLL8qqAMDyyKceBl7yaQZ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 212.227.17.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144640 Archived-At: [ ... ] > This is unfortunate, then, because I agree with Andreas: the Emacsen > programming interfaces for working with active regions are complex and > annoying, and unnecessarily so from a design standpoint. > think it would pay a lot to clean up that. AFAIU the same things are reimplemented in several loops without that the core questions which usually arises profit from it: is it time to take a certain action or not? for me transient-mark-mode in connection with a mark set is enough. Cheers, Andreas