From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:35:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4E89D629.1020800@easy-emacs.de> References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20111003093334.0bf5d988@kuru.homelinux.net> <4E89B613.9060305@mousecar.com> <20111003154119.37845657@kuru.homelinux.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317656121 23099 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2011 15:35:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 17:35:18 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAkY1-0002p9-Rt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:35:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44186 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAkY1-00075N-44 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:35:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAkXw-000751-I3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:35:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAkXt-0007Wx-L1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]:52752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAkXt-0007WG-7S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] (brln-4dbc509b.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.80.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2u1e-1QuaZY2h8w-00snmK; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:35:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.2.22) Gecko/20110907 SUSE/3.1.14 Thunderbird/3.1.14 In-Reply-To: <20111003154119.37845657@kuru.homelinux.net> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:QHaTyxiSapfSWED6k9N6TZYAcUQFvuAUElj2xHDs+US ka78c9vga07Qkp4kD2msM5mAg5SZ3j2eh+H1spR/N+Jgpncxvp nrjlv21W0yU8zl7zbjb11T8nVinJo79f1nSUKBdsi22TtyZZ83 oDAg4T1iFXJ2meaRwUSTM5ELKBJQ+M0kd3trAlp+sAN4dbHy4T 6Qv/1Zuak965SUhmKci1Yzz4tT6/FNf4QlJt4MAqOVBRIkSsum qTqzt5C3NqY24bWeRfcIPfFNC3utGhoLDOJ3Y/bihRU9Doo3yV bC1pSVr0FGG0IXJjzzkpkBD/slJi7D7wyuVZG51vjAirSQ5May 6W4VwwAXQEOtGLXVib3KEqAYIxoMo9NPKmC9uVzNi X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 212.227.126.171 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82416 Archived-At: [ ... ] Don't get me wrong, I love Emacs and I couldn't > manage to work without it. But the first day experience in Emacs is > definitely one of my worst. My opinion was based on that experience. > Would wish these kind of experience, which also has been mentioned as a steep learning curve, would get more attention still. BTW my view is: Emacs tutorial should not that much teaching keys but commands - and indeed offer the common copy-and-paste keys for beginners, even if I prefer Emacs-keys. Andreas