From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
To: Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org
Subject: "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete]
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:18:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E89B613.9060305@mousecar.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111003093334.0bf5d988@kuru.homelinux.net>
> [Making this change] brings default Emacs behaviour close
> to other modern text editors. ....
This is an invalid argument, more an appeal to fashion than an appeal to
reason. When switching from one application to another, we shouldn't
expect the new one to behave just like the former one. They are
different pieces of software, after all. When you start using different
software, you should expect that it will operate differently. You
should expect that you'll have to learn new things.
Secondly, there are places in the world where people haven't ever used
Windows; instead, their first and only experience with computers is with
Linux. What sense can it make to them that emacs' behavior is changed
simply to mimic some other editor they've never seen or used?
I think that over the long term it will trend upwards that more people's
first and only computer experience will be with FOSS. So thinking ahead
to those times, why should we alter the default behavior of Emacs to
conform to a legacy editor?
Fourth, if we apply your argument to every difference between Emacs and
(e.g.) Word, then we end up with Emacs behaving just like Word, and
there being no difference between Emacs and Word. Then we might as well
just use Word. :/
Fifth, if we change emacs to comport with Word, and if in future Word
changes the way it handles highlighted text to way emacs does now,
should emacs then change back again, just to (again) follow the way Word
works?
Finally, as said at the top, the argument to follow "other modern
editors" is nothing more than an appeal to fashion. And fashion is very
subjective and capricious. We should no more change emacs simply to
comport with some other, even (currently) more popular software than you
and I and all the other guys on this list should start dressing
ourselves like the cool dudes on whatever soap opera is the most popular
these days.
Let's just talk about what makes sense.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-03 13:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-26 3:57 Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 4:46 ` Leo
2011-09-26 18:43 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 23:21 ` Leo
2011-09-26 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 8:23 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-26 23:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-26 11:12 ` Neal Becker
2011-09-26 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13 4:50 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-10-13 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 16:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 17:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 18:50 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 17:07 ` Bastien
2011-09-26 17:26 ` Rasmus
2011-09-26 21:12 ` draft for DEL key poll Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 21:38 ` Karl Fogel
2011-09-26 22:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-27 6:30 ` Stefan Reichör
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-28 22:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-29 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 22:38 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) chad
2011-09-26 23:10 ` disable delete-selection-mode? Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 16:34 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:08 ` draft for DEL key poll Juri Linkov
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:52 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 18:49 ` James Cloos
2011-09-28 7:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-28 8:26 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-09-28 9:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-28 17:44 ` chad
2011-09-29 10:49 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-29 17:56 ` chad
2011-09-29 23:17 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-09-30 0:04 ` chad
2011-09-30 21:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 21:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-01 6:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-09-27 0:59 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 23:00 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-26 23:58 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 0:30 ` Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 8:56 ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 11:36 ` Jai Dayal
2011-09-30 15:17 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-01 12:54 ` Le Wang
2011-10-03 15:25 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-03 5:57 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 9:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 15:14 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 20:57 ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-03 17:18 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 18:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 7:33 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 13:18 ` ken [this message]
2011-10-03 13:24 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jai Dayal
2011-10-03 14:47 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 13:41 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 15:17 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:02 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 20:39 ` ken
2011-10-03 15:35 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 16:01 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 16:00 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-03 17:45 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 19:27 ` Rasmus
2011-10-03 21:30 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:22 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 12:37 ` ken
2011-10-04 22:09 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 12:44 ` ken
2011-10-04 18:40 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 20:02 ` ken
2011-10-04 20:19 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 21:42 ` ken
2011-10-04 21:54 ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-05 0:35 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <mailman.5071.1317713524.939.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-10-04 13:12 ` rusi
2011-10-04 17:27 ` S Boucher
2011-10-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-05 16:02 ` Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 17:26 ` MBR
2011-10-05 17:51 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 4:28 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete MBR
2011-10-04 7:33 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 14:08 ` MBR
2011-10-04 14:40 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 11:39 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-04 13:31 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 11:47 ` Jonathan Groll
2011-10-04 13:33 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 16:17 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-04 16:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 17:38 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 18:29 ` Alan E. Davis
2011-10-04 19:16 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 19:11 ` Johnny
2011-10-05 1:04 ` Ludwig, Mark
2011-10-06 12:24 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-06 19:15 ` Ken Goldman
2011-10-06 19:52 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-18 8:09 ` Steinar Bang
2011-11-13 4:24 ` semperos
2011-10-01 0:22 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Drew Adams
2011-10-03 16:11 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 22:56 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-03 23:42 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 23:43 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 10:18 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 10:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 11:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:07 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:31 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 19:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:52 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:21 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:48 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 14:02 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 1:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 3:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13 4:04 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 16:15 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-13 22:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-15 1:32 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 14:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 17:15 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 23:34 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-18 23:55 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-13 14:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 14:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-07 19:25 ` nabil-82
2011-10-08 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 16:38 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 4:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 13:02 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 1:39 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-10-12 13:04 ` nabil-82
2011-10-12 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:58 ` nabil-82
2011-10-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 21:01 ` Glenn Morris
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-05 3:46 "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete], Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 4:35 ` Le Wang
2011-10-05 5:05 ` Rustom Mody
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