From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] system-type cygwin with window-system w32 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <4E24BA29.1060509@gmail.com> References: <4E2377E2.1020804@gmail.com> <4E23DA4A.1080301@gmail.com> <4E23FFB4.1040809@gmail.com> <4E240FC5.3050509@gmail.com> <4E24B282.209@gmail.com> <877h7frywn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig949F9E6D0DBAFB8C4A6CE21B" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311030073 29965 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2011 23:01:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 19 01:01:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiwoF-000125-1c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:01:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55728 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiwoE-0008Rj-A5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55760) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiwkI-0007dZ-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiwkH-00053h-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:46628) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiwkA-00050g-AL; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: by pvc12 with SMTP id 12so4096558pvc.0 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; bh=62KijMfSXiWaqPW9reLdLnYd2Tq9mup179o+QdxNBmc=; b=elzK9I8oAPpxLl1k+tsTeFNo7BROjpDPuC73WpkgvO45fsSCoX2WpI+xIEXuXtmK/m PGNmJeE+MqjkkYdplyF8RN4m6D7E8GCrdGn0xiHFHnnAAmgAhsPvEOuWxQFsd/1QmGFx 6KOh8lffksh6UBG1zWERy9QUkMcCorLoB1ML4= Original-Received: by 10.143.20.21 with SMTP id x21mr3252403wfi.39.1311029806101; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [0.0.0.0] (c-24-18-179-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.18.179.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a3sm3838802wfe.8.2011.07.18.15.56.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: <877h7frywn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 OpenPGP: id=5035D15B X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 74.125.83.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142144 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig949F9E6D0DBAFB8C4A6CE21B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/18/2011 3:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Daniel Colascione writes: >=20 >> On 7/18/2011 3:08 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: >>> I don't recall that discussion. Can we reopen it? According to = [1], >>> Windows 98 has a market share of 0.03%. >>> >>> That must be hundreds of thousands of people. >> >> ~300,000 if we assume 1 billion people worldwide. That's still >> miniscule in proportion --- and of those 300,000, how many are savvy >> enough to be Emacs users? >> >> If there _are_ any remaining Windows 9X Emacs users, dropping 9X >> support will be doing them a favor: using an OS that doesn't receive >> security updates is terribly dangerous. >=20 > Why? Not every computer is used for browsing the internet. I'd argue that the vast majority of "computers" that can run Emacs are, in fact, network-connected. Most of what Emacs is good for involves the network at one point or another. Sure, there might be a few special-purpose known-good "appliance" computers, but if one of these machines is still running Windows 9X, it was probably configured years and years ago and not touched since, except perhaps for the occasional goat sacrifice made to keep it running. Installing a new version of Emacs on these machines would be a high-risk operation and wouldn't happen, and we're not talking about retroactively removing support in older Emacs versions. --------------enig949F9E6D0DBAFB8C4A6CE21B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4kuisACgkQ17c2LVA10VtUmgCaA98ZuHfiWiPR9//89x8oJk6J 4/oAn3IwKaaRxjFzW428zJM60YZSmyuB =SaL0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig949F9E6D0DBAFB8C4A6CE21B--