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From: Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@gmail.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: lexbind: how to replace lexical-let approach to hide secrets
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:29:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D93AEB8.5020605@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874o6kclw4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

On 3/30/2011 2:56 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> Stefan Monnier<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>  writes:
>
>> When lexical-binding is set:
>>
>>   (let ((data "my secret"))
>>     (lambda () data))
>>
>> returns something like (closure ((data . "my secret") t) () data).
>> If you wan to hide the value, then use:
>>
>>    (let ((data (let ((sym (make-symbol "foo")))
>>                  (set sym "secret")
>>                  sym)))
>>      (lambda () (symbol-value data)))
>>
>> which is similar to the what lexical-let ends up doing.
>
> All of which, by necessity, contain the necessary material to get at the
> secret in the bytecode/closure/funcell.  Where, of course, it is
> reasonable easy to retrieve it.  And that is actually overkill, since
> you can always just call that closure.
>
> Anybody care to tell me what the point of this exercise is actually
> supposed to be?

The idea is to prevent secrets being accidentally revealed in 
backtraces, lisp evaluation results, and so on.

By the way: I didn't notice any secret erasure code in auth-source.el. 
Shouldn't someone somewhere do something like this?  I didn't see 
anything in alloc.c that looks like it'd clear an object's bytes upon 
deallocation.

(defun secure-erase-secret (my-secret)
   (dotimes (i (length my-secret)) (setf (aref my-secret i) 0)))




  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-30 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-29 21:44 lexbind ready for merge Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29 23:43 ` Daniel Colascione
2011-03-30  1:22   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30  4:10     ` Daniel Colascione
2011-03-30 11:35       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-30 13:24         ` lexbind: how to replace lexical-let approach to hide secrets (was: lexbind ready for merge) Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-30 21:12           ` lexbind: how to replace lexical-let approach to hide secrets Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:56             ` David Kastrup
2011-03-30 22:29               ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2011-03-31 15:42             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01  1:31               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01  4:41                 ` secret strings (was: lexbind: how to replace lexical-let approach to hide secrets) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01  5:52                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 11:02                     ` secret strings Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01 14:38                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 15:12                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01 16:14                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 20:08                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01 20:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-01 21:25                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01 14:59                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 15:09         ` lexbind ready for merge Daniel Colascione
2011-03-30 15:20           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-30 14:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30  7:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-03-30 11:30   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 13:10     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-03-30 13:17     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-30 14:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 14:54     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-03-31  1:02       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-30 16:11     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-03-30 17:10       ` Tassilo Horn

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