From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:41:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4D84771B-5BAE-4A1C-8728-EFF633EBCD6E@Web.DE> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247427791 18170 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2009 19:43:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Francis Moreau Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 12 21:43:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQ4wx-0004Q0-8t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:43:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55190 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQ4ww-000696-2U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQ4vt-0005mT-Ud for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:41:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MQ4vp-0005kx-88 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:41:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41889 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQ4vp-0005ku-5E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]:59149) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ4vn-0004PR-GO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:41:52 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4929E10AB514C; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [91.35.240.12] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp08.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #277) id 1MQ4vl-0000tq-00; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:41:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18toILkHgYhT1KmWE1qq0GoGhXSEzRB+gQar+7e zFI7AL3l77+gGqxXa7YyVRBfyNKL0TZeqfM9HRcFFqbzhlansR M9p+cltqaF2TwJZtmfUw== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66000 Archived-At: Am 12.07.2009 um 19:40 schrieb Francis Moreau: > And why is it so hard to understand that a pager feature would > be nice in this package ? Because I never needed it, not even when working 20 years ago at an alpha-numeric hardware terminal. And I have no imagination to invent circumstances that I would need it. If the text cursor is at the end of the *shell* buffer and is pushed away by fast effervescent output, faster than you can read, it's one command to return to the prompt. It's easier to send the command and make the cursor go up a line. GNU Emacs is no terminal emulation. It does not need a pager. These programmes were developed for hardware terminals from 20 or more years ago. There is no sense in keeping them today, in a time of feature full terminal emulations. They can be abolished together with atom reactors and bombs. And your splendid idea. -- Greetings Pete We also sponsor National Invisible Chronic Illness Awareness Week annually in September. Join the millions