all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Andreas Schwab'" <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' <eliz@gnu.org>,
	'Tim Cross' <theophilusx@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Why all the Alt bindings by default?
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:06:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3FCD6DCE824CA2913FF5C9E255FEC2@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m28vo6mo0r.fsf@igel.home>

> The bindings are listed in order of precedence.

Interesting.  I wasn't aware of that.  There is nothing in the buffer that tells
users that (bug #1), nothing in the doc string of `describe-bindings' about it
either (bug #2), nothing in (emacs) `Help Summary' or (emacs) `Misc Help' either
(bug #3, bug #4), and nothing in (elisp) `Scanning Keymaps' either (bug #6).

So is this by design or accident?  It's apparently documented _nowhere_.

Even if by design, perhaps the design needs to be revisited.  We did something
similar (at my request) a few years back for `C-h m', when we moved the
minor-mode stuff after the major-mode description.  Prior to that, like key
translation listings here, the minor-mode stuff was _in the way_.

IF we decide to keep showing key translations in `C-h b', then we should get
them out of the way, one way or another.

It would be fine if, in the new intro text that you will please add to explain
that bindings are listed in order of precedence, you also say that key
translations (which are not bindings) are listed after all of the bindings, even
though they take precedence.

> > Currently, they are at the _start_ of the buffer, in the way.
> 
> Which is the correct place.

"Correct"?  It's probably correct that that the correct place is _nowhere_ in a
listing of key bindings (Stefan's suggestion).  If they do belong there then
they certainly don't belong at the beginning of the buffer.

Another alternative would be to show them only on demand, e.g. using a
particular prefix arg.  The point is that they should not be front-and-center,
in the way of seeing the key bindings.




  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-27 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-26 16:50 Why all the Alt bindings by default? Drew Adams
2011-10-26 17:02 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-26 17:13   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 19:16     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-26 20:20       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 21:35         ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27  1:48           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27  2:05             ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27  4:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-27  4:14             ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27  4:52               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-27  5:35                 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27  8:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-27 12:19                 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-27 15:17                   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 15:33                     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-27 15:43                       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-27 15:51                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-27 16:06                           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-10-27 12:28                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-27 15:20                   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-28  0:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-26 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-26 18:03   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-26 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-26 20:14   ` Drew Adams

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=4D3FCD6DCE824CA2913FF5C9E255FEC2@us.oracle.com \
    --to=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=schwab@linux-m68k.org \
    --cc=theophilusx@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.