From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:39 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87y66fv2d3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D388F7F.20708@swipnet.se> <87r5c7jk5m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D39EF9C.1050804@cs.ucla.edu> <4D3A8666.4070609@cs.ucla.edu> <877hdvd49f.fsf@meyering.net> <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295817840 17652 80.91.229.12 (23 Jan 2011 21:24:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, bug-gnulib , Jim Meyering , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnulib-bounces+gnu-bug-gnulib=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 23 22:23:54 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-bug-gnulib@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph7Pa-00082q-N9 for gnu-bug-gnulib@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 22:23:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43975 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ph7PZ-0003K2-VW for gnu-bug-gnulib@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:23:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54177 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ph7PT-0003Jx-Pc for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:23:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph7PS-0000sq-Lm for bug-gnulib@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:46796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph7PS-0000sl-FL; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:23:42 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE439E80E0; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dDCqGoLNV++Y; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-189-109-235.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.109.235]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95DDE39E80DB; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 In-Reply-To: <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnulib@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnulib discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnulib-bounces+gnu-bug-gnulib=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnulib-bounces+gnu-bug-gnulib=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs:24873 gmane.emacs.devel:134874 Archived-At: On 01/23/2011 09:00 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It sounds harsh to me to ask every one who builds out of VCS to have > to climb such a steep curve. I dunno, I just started doing some Emacs development after about five years' absence, and it was a pretty steep learning curve for me. For example, nowhere is it stated that one really should use the obsolescent Python version 2.6.6, and that the current Python versions 2.7.1 and 3.1.3 do not work well with the current bzr version. I had to find that out myself, the hard way, by making hard-to-diagnose screwups. By comparison, the autotools requirements of Gnulib are relatively tame; they are better documented and they don't rely on people having older-than-current versions. Anyway, the point is moot, no? Right now the Emacs VCS builds out of the box with the same tools as before. Maintainers don't need to have automake installed unless they also want to do gnulib-related development, for which automake is required anyway.