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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, jan.h.d@swipnet.se,
	bug-gnulib <bug-gnulib@gnu.org>, Jim Meyering <jim@meyering.net>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org>

On 01/23/2011 09:00 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> It sounds harsh to me to ask every one who builds out of VCS to have
> to climb such a steep curve.

I dunno, I just started doing some Emacs development after
about five years' absence, and it was a pretty steep learning
curve for me.  For example, nowhere is it stated that one
really should use the obsolescent Python version 2.6.6,
and that the current Python versions 2.7.1 and 3.1.3
do not work well with the current bzr version.  I had to find
that out myself, the hard way, by making hard-to-diagnose screwups.
By comparison, the autotools requirements of Gnulib
are relatively tame; they are better documented and
they don't rely on people having older-than-current versions.

Anyway, the point is moot, no?  Right now the Emacs VCS
builds out of the box with the same tools as before.
Maintainers don't need to have automake installed
unless they also want to do gnulib-related development,
for which automake is required anyway.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-23 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-20 18:47 Still unable to build trunk Chong Yidong
2011-01-20 19:39 ` Jan Djärv
2011-01-20 22:16   ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-21 20:42     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22  1:29       ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-22  7:25         ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 15:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 15:33             ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 17:35                 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 18:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 18:47                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 19:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 20:08                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 21:23                 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2011-01-24  1:01                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-24  1:22                     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-24  8:48                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-24 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-08  4:22                         ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-03-08 19:51                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:10                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-15 20:22                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 21:52                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-15 22:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:58                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  4:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  4:14                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  4:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  5:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  6:39                                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  8:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:08                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 10:47                                                   ` joakim
2011-03-16 11:53                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 12:25                                                       ` joakim
2011-03-16 12:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:54                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 20:40                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 11:33                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 11:21                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16  6:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  8:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:23                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:17                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 17:45                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 18:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:20                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:13                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 15:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 18:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 20:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-17 20:36                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 20:44                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:51                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18  2:02                                         ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-28 20:29                           ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] chad
2011-03-28 20:58                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-28 21:45                               ` Chad Brown
2011-03-28 21:51                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  1:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  2:21                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  3:36                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  6:39                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 12:09                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 12:19                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-29 12:23                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 14:13                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 15:25                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 16:38                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 18:46                                             ` chad
2011-03-30  6:15                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 11:27                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 12:03                                                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 17:48                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 19:26                                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 20:02                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 20:14                                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-30 21:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:41                                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-31 14:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-28 21:57                             ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 18:14                   ` Still unable to build trunk Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 20:58                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 21:07                       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-01-24 22:47                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-25  6:01                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-25 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-25 20:14                             ` Savannah loggerhead [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-01-26  0:44                             ` Still unable to build trunk Richard Stallman
2011-01-26  3:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 12:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-26 13:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 13:35                         ` Andy Moreton
2011-01-26 13:42                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27  9:38                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 11:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 11:20                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-27 11:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 18:27                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-29 11:49                                     ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 12:19                                       ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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