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Richard Pixley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:14:22 -0800 Message-ID: <4D224A3E.9030805@noir.com> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> <4D224008.3080503@noir.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294093438 11311 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2011 22:23:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 23:23:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsoh-0004zp-2p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:23:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51480 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsog-0006oP-Cz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:23:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42767 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsoa-0006mm-V6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:23:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsoZ-0002S1-SE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:23:44 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsoZ-0002Rx-PP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsZO-0006z7-Do; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:08:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "K. Richard Pixley" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7771 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.129409244326807 (code B ref -1); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 22:07:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsYl-0006yK-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:07:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsYj-0006y9-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:07:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfb-0001BB-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:28 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:56018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfb-0001B5-IM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42137 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsfa-0004A9-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfY-00017X-Ak for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:26 -0500 Original-Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:56982 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfY-00017D-4b; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:24 -0500 Original-Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDAC0E0152; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:14:22 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:08:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:43068 Archived-At: On 20110103 14:04, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM, K. Richard Pixley wrote: >> On 20110103 13:02, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> I have no complaint or problem with dimmed or bolded. Dimmed certainly >> could become illegible if it were sufficiently dim, but it seems to be fine >> in most cases. Unlike, say, dim yellow text on off white background which >> is essentially invisible. Or red on green background or yellow on blue, (or >> vice verse), which are completely invisible. >> >> Most programmers aren't color experts. They just slap up what seem like >> contrasting colors to them without much thought to subjective experience, >> (color blindness, cognitive variance, environmental factors like X11 >> themeing), color set themeing, look-and-feel coordination, pleasing >> presentation, etc. >> >> Thunderbird uses color and I find their use of color constructive. >> >> It's low/no contrast color and "bad" use of color to which I object, (and >> 95% of color uses are "bad", ime). >> >> I want the "bad" color to go away. And that seems to be primarily font-lock >> uses. > Then perhaps the best solution would rather be a color theme adjusted > to your needs? I mean in case that is possible to figure out on a more > general level. Since you say that thunderbird seems to have done that > it looks possible to me. Part of my point here is that creating a color theme that is sufficiently general is beyond the scope of most programmers. Making "bad" color the default is a poor choice if it can be turned off but it's a horrendous choice if it cannot. Certainly, a professionally color themed emacs by a color expert might be a better choice. However, most of us are programmers, not color experts. Turning the functionality off should be within our scope while creating expert color themes probably isn't. I mean no offense to anyone in particular, but even if we held a contest for best color theme, selected the top dozen or so to go into emacs as available alternatives, there would still be people who didn't like any of the available options or who simply don't like color coding. For them, the best UI would be an option to "turn color coding off" rather than to create a set of monochrome color themes. --rich