From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:49:12 +0900 Message-ID: <4D145B75-0C23-4371-A388-747BB9E42327@traduction-libre.org> References: <87zhaxi70f.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="95494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 16:50:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jT55w-000OhE-Pe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:50:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49298 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT55v-0001lk-Lj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT54W-00083z-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT54U-0004DC-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:49:23 -0400 Original-Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:34363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT54U-0004AK-8Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:49:22 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.235.90 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl12634.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.235.90]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86DA61C0003 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:49:15 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.197; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay5-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 10:49:17 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.197 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247930 Archived-At: > On Apr 27, 2020, at 23:36, Stefan Monnier = wrote: >=20 >>> * CONTRIBUTE: >>> * etc/CALC-NEWS: >>> * etc/DEBUG: >>> * etc/MACHINES: >>> * etc/PROBLEMS: >>> * etc/TODO: Use org-mode instead of outline-mode. >>> The reason is that I believe our users are more familiar with = org-mode >>> than outline-mode, and that I simply think the interface is better. >>> It's the forward-looking, "modern" choice, if you like. >>> So please make it known how you feel about this proposal. >>=20 >> I would say that Outline is much better than Org for simple >> informational files, such as `NEWS', `DEBUG', or `CALC-NEWS'. >>=20 >> Org may be useful if we ever expand `TODO' to actually include >> work-in-progress tasks, a schedule, or similar items, but I think we >> should stick with Outline right now. >=20 > So, from what I gather here, we could satisfy everyone by using for = the > file format a very small subset of org-mode (basically the subset > that is common with outline-mode), and for the major-mode itself > a variant of org-mode that loads faster (e.g. a stripped down version > of org-mode, or an org-mode that's been profiled&tweaked to load > faster). My reading is that org-mode users would just appreciate if outline-mode = had "non-nonsense" navigation similar to org-mode. Outline users are just happy with the status quo. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune