bug#7371: odd loadup

bug#7371: odd loadup

[Rajinder Yadav]

From: Rajinder Yadav <devguy.ca@gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: 23.2; odd loadup
--text follows this line--
This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
not to your local site managers!
Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.

Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list,
and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give
a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':

I've build emacs from source on my linux system kubuntu 10.10 x86_64

$ uname -a
Linux Six9 2.6.35-22-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 16 20:45:36 UTC 2010 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

1) I cannot shrink the window size veritcal, it will grow bigger, but 
not smaler.
2) it don't read my ~/.emacs config file
3) emacs start up with a blank screen
4) emacs does not show up in my kde system menu

I originaly installed emacs 23.1.1 using aptitude package manager, i
removed it before installing emacs from source.

The configure and built complete without any error at the end


If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
     `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/etc/DEBUG.


In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0)
  of 2010-11-11 on Six9
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000
Important settings:
   value of $LC_ALL: nil
   value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
   value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
   value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
   value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
   value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
   value of $LC_TIME: nil
   value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8
   value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
   default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Text

Minor modes in effect:
   goto-address-mode: t
   tooltip-mode: t
   mouse-wheel-mode: t
   tool-bar-mode: t
   menu-bar-mode: t
   file-name-shadow-mode: t
   global-font-lock-mode: t
   font-lock-mode: t
   blink-cursor-mode: t
   auto-encryption-mode: t
   auto-compression-mode: t
   line-number-mode: t
   transient-mark-mode: t
   view-mode: t

Recent input:
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <menu-bar> <help-menu> <about-emacs> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>
<mouse-2> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5>
<double-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
<triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
<mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
<down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5>
<triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
<triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
<double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
<triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-4>
<mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4>
<double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
<triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar>
<help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
Loading /opt/ruby-1.9.2-p0/misc/ruby-mode.el (source)...done
Loading /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet.el (source)...
Setting up CEDET packages...done
Loading /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet.el (source)...done [3 times]
byte-code: Symbol's value as variable is void: warning-suppress-types
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Note: file is write protected
View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit.
byte-code: End of buffer [3 times]
byte-code: Beginning of buffer [6 times]
byte-code: Beginning of buffer

Load-path shadows:
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/ezimage hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/ezimage
/opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/dframe hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/dframe
/opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/speedbar hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/speedbar
/opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/sb-image hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/sb-image
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-opt hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-opt
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-base hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-base
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-comp hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-comp
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/chart hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/chart
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-datadebug hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-datadebug
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-speedbar hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-speedbar
/opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-custom hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-custom
/opt/cedet-1.0/ede/ede hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/ede
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-global hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-global
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-idutils hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-idutils
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/pulse hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/pulse
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-files hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-files
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/mode-local hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/mode-local
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/data-debug hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/data-debug
/opt/cedet-1.0/semantic/semantic hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/semantic
/opt/cedet-1.0/srecode/srecode hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/srecode
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/inversion hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/inversion
/opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-cscope hides 
/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-cscope

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec
password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231
rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc
time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util
hashcash mail-utils emacsbug goto-addr thingatpt ede-linux ede-emacs
ede-cpp-root view srecode-mode cogre-srecode semantic-edit
srecode-template-mode srecode-template srecode-template-wy
semantic-wisent wisent srecode-map srecode-insert srecode-args
srecode-dictionary srecode-find srecode-ctxt srecode-compile
srecode-table semantic-mru-bookmark semanticdb-mode semantic-idle eldoc
senator ring warnings which-func semantic-imenu semantic-sb imenu cedet
cedet-contrib-load contrib-loaddefs cogre-load cogre-loaddefs
speedbar-load speedbar-loaddefs ede-load ede-loaddefs ede-speedbar
ede-files ede ede-base ede-auto eieio-speedbar semantic-ia-sb
semantic-analyze semantic-scope semantic-analyze-fcn semantic-sort
semanticdb-el semanticdb semantic-ctxt semantic-format
semantic-util-modes semantic-util semantic semantic-lex semantic-tag
working fame speedbar sb-image ezimage dframe easymenu assoc
eieio-custom wid-edit ede-source eieio-base srecode-load srecode
srecode-loaddefs semantic-load semantic-fw semantic-loaddefs mode-local
find-func derived eieio-load eieio-loaddefs cedet-load cedet-compat
cedet-loaddefs eieio advice help-fns advice-preload byte-opt bytecomp
byte-compile inversion ruby-mode cl cl-19 regexp-opt tooltip ediff-hook
vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd
fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer
select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu
font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan
thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces
cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process dbusbind font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x
multi-tty emacs)

-- 
Kind Regards,
Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely

GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic
Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1
Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1

bug#7371: odd loadup

[Glenn Morris]

Rajinder Yadav wrote:

> I've build emacs from source on my linux system kubuntu 10.10 x86_64
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux Six9 2.6.35-22-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 16 20:45:36 UTC
> 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> 1) I cannot shrink the window size veritcal, it will grow bigger, but
> not smaler.
> 2) it don't read my ~/.emacs config file
> 3) emacs start up with a blank screen
> 4) emacs does not show up in my kde system menu

The last one is to be expected, since stock Emacs does not know
anything about how your kde menu is defined.

There is not much information to solve the others.
What happens if you start emacs with -Q?
If there are still errors then, please show the full contents of the
Messages buffer.

Also try starting emacs with --debug-init.

> byte-code: Symbol's value as variable is void: warning-suppress-types

This is

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=6275

so maybe putting (require 'warnings) at the start of your .emacs will
help.

bug#7371: odd loadup

[Rajinder Yadav]

Disregards this bug report, by a process of elimination I was able to 
deduce the problem was coming from my .emacs config file!




On 10-11-11 03:57 AM, Rajinder Yadav wrote:
> From: Rajinder Yadav <devguy.ca@gmail.com>
> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: 23.2; odd loadup
> --text follows this line--
> This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
> not to your local site managers!
> Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
> usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.
>
> Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list,
> and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group.
>
> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
> and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give
> a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':
>
> I've build emacs from source on my linux system kubuntu 10.10 x86_64
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux Six9 2.6.35-22-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 16 20:45:36 UTC 2010
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> 1) I cannot shrink the window size veritcal, it will grow bigger, but
> not smaler.
> 2) it don't read my ~/.emacs config file
> 3) emacs start up with a blank screen
> 4) emacs does not show up in my kde system menu
>
> I originaly installed emacs 23.1.1 using aptitude package manager, i
> removed it before installing emacs from source.
>
> The configure and built complete without any error at the end
>
>
> If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
> please include the output from the following gdb commands:
> `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
> For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/etc/DEBUG.
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0)
> of 2010-11-11 on Six9
> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000
> Important settings:
> value of $LC_ALL: nil
> value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
> value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
> value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
> value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
> value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
> value of $LC_TIME: nil
> value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8
> value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
> default enable-multibyte-characters: t
>
> Major mode: Text
>
> Minor modes in effect:
> goto-address-mode: t
> tooltip-mode: t
> mouse-wheel-mode: t
> tool-bar-mode: t
> menu-bar-mode: t
> file-name-shadow-mode: t
> global-font-lock-mode: t
> font-lock-mode: t
> blink-cursor-mode: t
> auto-encryption-mode: t
> auto-compression-mode: t
> line-number-mode: t
> transient-mark-mode: t
> view-mode: t
>
> Recent input:
> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <menu-bar> <help-menu> <about-emacs> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1>
> <mouse-2> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5>
> <double-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-5>
> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
> <triple-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5>
> <down-mouse-5> <mouse-5> <double-down-mouse-5> <double-mouse-5>
> <triple-down-mouse-5> <triple-mouse-5> <triple-down-mouse-5>
> <triple-mouse-5> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <double-down-mouse-4>
> <double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4> <down-mouse-4>
> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4> <down-mouse-4> <mouse-4>
> <double-down-mouse-4> <double-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4>
> <triple-mouse-4> <triple-down-mouse-4> <triple-mouse-4>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>
> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar>
> <help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>
>
> Recent messages:
> Loading /opt/ruby-1.9.2-p0/misc/ruby-mode.el (source)...done
> Loading /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet.el (source)...
> Setting up CEDET packages...done
> Loading /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet.el (source)...done [3 times]
> byte-code: Symbol's value as variable is void: warning-suppress-types
> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
> Note: file is write protected
> View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit.
> byte-code: End of buffer [3 times]
> byte-code: Beginning of buffer [6 times]
> byte-code: Beginning of buffer
>
> Load-path shadows:
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/ezimage hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/ezimage
> /opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/dframe hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/dframe
> /opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/speedbar hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/speedbar
> /opt/cedet-1.0/speedbar/sb-image hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/sb-image
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-opt hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-opt
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-base hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-base
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-comp hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-comp
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/chart hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/chart
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-datadebug hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-datadebug
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-speedbar hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-speedbar
> /opt/cedet-1.0/eieio/eieio-custom hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/emacs-lisp/eieio-custom
> /opt/cedet-1.0/ede/ede hides /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/ede
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-global hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-global
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-idutils hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-idutils
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/pulse hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/pulse
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-files hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-files
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/mode-local hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/mode-local
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/data-debug hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/data-debug
> /opt/cedet-1.0/semantic/semantic hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/semantic
> /opt/cedet-1.0/srecode/srecode hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/srecode
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/inversion hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/inversion
> /opt/cedet-1.0/common/cedet-cscope hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/cedet/cedet-cscope
>
> Features:
> (shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec
> password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231
> rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc
> time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util
> hashcash mail-utils emacsbug goto-addr thingatpt ede-linux ede-emacs
> ede-cpp-root view srecode-mode cogre-srecode semantic-edit
> srecode-template-mode srecode-template srecode-template-wy
> semantic-wisent wisent srecode-map srecode-insert srecode-args
> srecode-dictionary srecode-find srecode-ctxt srecode-compile
> srecode-table semantic-mru-bookmark semanticdb-mode semantic-idle eldoc
> senator ring warnings which-func semantic-imenu semantic-sb imenu cedet
> cedet-contrib-load contrib-loaddefs cogre-load cogre-loaddefs
> speedbar-load speedbar-loaddefs ede-load ede-loaddefs ede-speedbar
> ede-files ede ede-base ede-auto eieio-speedbar semantic-ia-sb
> semantic-analyze semantic-scope semantic-analyze-fcn semantic-sort
> semanticdb-el semanticdb semantic-ctxt semantic-format
> semantic-util-modes semantic-util semantic semantic-lex semantic-tag
> working fame speedbar sb-image ezimage dframe easymenu assoc
> eieio-custom wid-edit ede-source eieio-base srecode-load srecode
> srecode-loaddefs semantic-load semantic-fw semantic-loaddefs mode-local
> find-func derived eieio-load eieio-loaddefs cedet-load cedet-compat
> cedet-loaddefs eieio advice help-fns advice-preload byte-opt bytecomp
> byte-compile inversion ruby-mode cl cl-19 regexp-opt tooltip ediff-hook
> vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd
> fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer
> select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu
> font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan
> thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
> european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
> jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces
> cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages
> mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
> make-network-process dbusbind font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x
> multi-tty emacs)
>


-- 
Kind Regards,
Rajinder Yadav | DevMentor.org | Do Good! ~ Share Freely

GNU/Linux: 2.6.35-22-generic
Kubuntu x86_64 10.10 | KDE 4.5.1
Ruby 1.9.2p0 | Rails 3.0.1

bug#7371: odd loadup

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 11/11/10 21:44, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Rajinder Yadav wrote:

>> 4) emacs does not show up in my kde system menu
>
> The last one is to be expected, since stock Emacs does not know
> anything about how your kde menu is defined.

Actually, there is a fd.o convention for desktop menus that the major 
desktop environments AFAIK follow [1]. Emacs already installs a 
/usr/local/share/applications/emacs.desktop [*] upon a "make install" 
(at least to the default /usr/local) that XFCE4's desktop menu picks up 
on my system (at least after relogin or just xfce4-panel -r), showing 
Emacs under group "Development".

In a test, KDE4 on my system also appears to pick up the one the emacs 
"make install" installed on my system (note that I re-logged in with a 
KDE session, which probably implicitly refreshed the menu - if 
you[Rajinder] just built and then did a "make install" under KDE, the 
KDE desktop menu may just not have noticed the installation of the new 
menu entry and may need some sort of a kick), also placing Emacs under 
"Development" (but scalling it "Text Editor" with "Emacs" in small grey 
text, under some generic-name-first policy).  KDE kappfinder used to 
autogenerate an emacs menu entry too if you let it, but I _think_ it was 
the one emacs installed that the kde desktop menu was using, not any one 
kappfinder ever spat out.

[1] http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/

[*] arguably that should be applications/gnu/emacs.desktop by [1], but I 
doubt that makes a difference.