From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#7260: 24.0.50; DEL screwed up Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:06:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4CC1C493.70200@online.de> References: <87wrpaxnmi.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287767272 8282 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2010 17:07:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:07:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 19:07:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9L5j-0001CV-7q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:07:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39856 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9L5i-0000LX-KN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:07:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33449 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9L5Z-0000JL-NG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:07:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9L5Y-0005ap-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:63484) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9L5Y-0005aV-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from noname.home (brln-4dbc79bd.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.121.189]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8bS7-1ON1xC1wSh-00vgqW; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:07:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 In-Reply-To: <87wrpaxnmi.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:MqgYKiP25rQ3eQ1gOwiX0lgqDigXH2ipz+m50gOPFIb 8xlf0VMhMUYQ4hOotONzNNW/i/TrLO2SDzcipxte51nxzIR0aF RYGRmwaDwtp/u46eCmC35YIxvqbeROvwetaXk+YzUgH19lQPr4 u+OCPAF0uHADuZU/fLuFv3BRjomnkzOBPRacazhCzNKgKNhYfD i2bFfgLlRTrEvGunz4Pd32bmmuAnmNvgKi2SxLEjnw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132001 Archived-At: Am 22.10.2010 17:17, schrieb Jason Rumney: > Helmut Eller writes: > >> * Richard Stallman [2010-10-22 12:22] writes: >> >>> > I think most people now agree that `C-x C-x' shouldn't activate the >>> > region when transient-mark-mode is switched on, but nobody >>> > has actually altered that function to stop doing this. >>> >>> C-x C-x is the main way to activate an existing region in Transient >>> Mark mode. To make that require C-u will be a different pain in the >>> neck. >>> >>> The change for C-d and DEL to delete all regions was too radically >>> incompatible to make made without polling the users first. The right >>> thing to do is take that change out, then address the issue the right >>> way: by polling the users. >> >> I haven't been asked, but I too think C-x C-x should not activate the >> region. That always annoyed me. > > I have always used C-x C-x for navigation purposes. Now that > transient-mark-mode is on by default, which I think is the real issue at stake here. Fiddling exchange-point-and-mark afterwards, means dressing it from behind. A different exchange-point-and-mark behaviour will break behavior at other places. Please restore default of transient-mark-mode (ie. off) The other major annoyance is the kind of former delsel-mode now default. Just teribble, unusable for me and may others, as I read. Andreas I find it an annoyance that the > region is activated as a side-effect of swapping mark and point. > > Reactivating the region is not something I've ever found the need to do, > but if I did, I would consider the swapping mark and point to be an > annoying side effect, and would prefer a command that does not have that > side effect. > >