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From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Problems with xml-parse-string
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 03:46:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C9C1107.5010000@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8739t03q2g.fsf@stupidchicken.com>

On 24/09/10 02:09, Chong Yidong wrote:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen<larsi@gnus.org>  writes:
>
>> Stefan Monnier<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>  writes:
>>
>>>> As for the :foo node names, we can map them to anything else if
>>>> required.  Pick an invalid XML character -- any one will do, if this is
>>>> important.
>>>
>>> How 'bout =foo ?
>>
>> Looks good to me.
>
> If we're going to make a clean break with the old xml.el parse tree
> format, I think it makes more sense to go with sxml.  Is there any
> technical reason not to?

I'm not too convinced mapping xml element and attribute names to 
interned lisp symbols at all is particularly desirable.  Not that I 
personally use xml-... in emacs lisp much/ever, but I have used common 
lisp xml parsing in the past and seem to remember that using strings was 
overall less problematic than symbols (and it wasn't just down to case - 
common lisp only looks case insensitive), just generally easier to be 
non-lossy and non-cluttering-symbol-table-with-random-xml-crap. Read 
some transient xml message once? have some useless symbols hanging round 
forever (for small values of forever).

Yes, strings look messier for "manually keyed in" toy example sexp 
representations of xml, but I imagine the bulk of emacs lisp xml api 
usage in practice would be programmatic.

One could also accept symbols as a shortcut for lisp->xml and just use 
their symbol-names as strings, but output strings for xml->lisp.  I 
suppose you could offer the option of interning for xml->lisp output.

Over in common lisp land, the "xmls" supported (and extended a bit) by 
closure xml [1] used strings, avoiding symbols.

[1] http://common-lisp.net/project/cxml/xmls-compat.html



  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-24  2:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-14 18:11 Problems with xml-parse-string Leo
2010-09-14 18:24 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 21:18   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-15  8:06     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-15  8:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-15  9:21         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-15  9:54           ` Leo
2010-09-15 10:16             ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-15 15:58               ` Chad Brown
2010-09-21 23:00           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-21 23:24             ` Leo
2010-09-22  2:26               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22  3:15                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22  7:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-22 10:35                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 10:58                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:00                     ` Leo
2010-09-22 11:09                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:41                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:55                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:09                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:17                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:18                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:20                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:26                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:34                                       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:46                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:45                         ` Leo
2010-09-22 13:14                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 14:07                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 15:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-22 23:59                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-23  5:53                                 ` Leo
2010-09-23 15:43                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-23 16:53                                     ` Leo
2010-09-23 21:58                                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-23 22:21                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24  0:04                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-24  0:06                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24  1:09                                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24  2:46                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2010-09-24  5:38                                               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-24  8:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-24 10:47                                                 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 10:44                                             ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 10:49                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 15:25                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 15:53                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 16:26                                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 16:46                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 17:34                                                       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 18:09                                                         ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-24 18:21                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-24 18:31                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 18:47                                                       ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 18:53                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 18:58                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 19:06                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 19:25                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 19:34                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 21:57                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-25 13:11                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-25 13:31                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 13:56                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-25 13:59                                                                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 16:13                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 16:46                                                                         ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 22:29                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-25 15:00                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 22:01                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-24 22:17                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-25  0:25                                                                 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 14:42                                                       ` Andy Wingo
2010-09-25 15:12                                                         ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:21                                                         ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:42                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 20:02                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-25 20:32                                                               ` Leo
2010-09-25 23:08                                                               ` Leo
2010-09-26 21:55                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-26 23:34                                                                   ` Leo
2010-09-26  3:48                                                               ` pcase.el (was: Problems with xml-parse-string) Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-26 22:06                                                                 ` pcase.el Stefan Monnier
2010-09-27 16:59                                                                   ` pcase.el Leo
2010-09-27 22:51                                                                     ` pcase.el Stefan Monnier
2010-09-28 18:17                                                                   ` pcase.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-24 23:43                                         ` Problems with xml-parse-string Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-23  2:16                               ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-09-22 14:05                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 14:32                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 15:46                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 16:12                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 16:51                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 18:06                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 18:14                               ` Edward O'Connor
2010-09-22 18:34                                 ` Leo
2010-09-22 18:41                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 19:57                                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 18:06                             ` Andy Wingo
2010-09-22 23:48             ` Stefan Monnier

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